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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg this is one of

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those rare episodes of the para cast

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where at least two of the people who

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participate are in the same room

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together for better or for worse yeah

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elbow to elbow not quite actually he's

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about four feet from me and we're trying

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to make it five feet wait because we had

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kind of late start with last week's

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episode on time travel and wormholes I

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wanted to go back to the show that Chris

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and I did with Edie chimeric oh boy now

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a lot of people listen to that show and

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have said gee this guy speaks a mile a

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minute now somewhere insulting some

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figure because of his accent they

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thought they were going back to Mayberry

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yeah it's a pretty bright guy though you

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don't let the accent fool you

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he's pretty bright but boy he sure wants

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to believe he's definitely dialed in on

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that the one thing that bothered me is

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when he says well I got this stuff on

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the Internet you know well the

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Internet's a wonderful resource to land

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and we all use it and we're becoming

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more and more reliant on it but I think

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you made a really good point Jean you

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need to corroborate these sources you

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can't just go on a single internet story

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or fact or piece of research you really

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do have to be careful you can't take

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what you get on the Internet as gospel

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unless you can back it up with other

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source materials so I think that was a

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point that you made and and it's one

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that all aspiring researchers out there

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should remember the Internet can be your

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friend but can also bite you and as I

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said in our editorial for our weekly

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podcast newsletter I pointed out one of

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the problems with doing your research on

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the Internet is that anybody can publish

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on the internet anybody you know right

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yeah Eugene that's right look there's an

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example I got on the internet Chris

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O'Brien got on the Internet

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you know I was one of the first 1

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million websites on the net back in 94 I

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became the first person on the Internet

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in the San Luis Valley and got some help

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and slapped up a website and found out

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that I had made it under the 1 million

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mark so I was one of the first 1 million

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websites never not looking at my site no

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but it was certainly an early effort to

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put something together in fact your

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content management system was something

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five six years old yeah and now it's

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more modernized but yeah um one of the

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early people but the key is today if you

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want to get online and have a blog you

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go to blogger which is from Google and

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get a free block you can go to a

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wordpress and set up a free wordpress

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blog and everybody uses WordPress it's

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not just people who are professionals

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it's anybody tens of millions of people

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use WordPress if that's not enough you

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want something a bit more comprehensive

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you spend five dollars a month for a web

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hosting plan and they have one-click

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installer as for WordPress so anybody

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can get on there there's no test there's

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no litmus test that says well you got to

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know this and you got to know that and

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you have to have a journalism degree no

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you have to have five dollars or you can

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do it free to get online so that doesn't

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prove anything

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of course it doesn't mean that there

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aren't really good researchers and

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writers on the internet it really means

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that the playing field has been leveled

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everybody can get on well when you're

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researching one thing that you should

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look for in a particular subject that

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you're researching is look for websites

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that that end in edu chances are you

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gonna be getting credible research from

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an educational website one that's

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affiliated with some sort of educational

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institution that's always where I start

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is trying my best to get you know

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academia involved in my research and you

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tend to have a better chance of getting

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some really good information that way

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now a lot of people look at Wikipedia

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but Wikipedia is the people's

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encyclopedia which means anybody could

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get credentials to edit anybody

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there and put up an entry about anyone

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and everybody yeah you're laughing why

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do you have a do you have a Wikipedia

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entry they're not about never look it's

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not one about me yeah I mentioned there

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but I don't have nobody's actually

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pulling up on me thank God

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you can put up your own you see that's

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it - you put up your own Wikipedia entry

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only doesn't go there

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okay I'm already a legend in my own mind

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I don't need to be a legend everybody

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else is - right so you're not gonna put

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up a Wikipedia entry there's one for the

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power cast yes there is I think I

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mentioned on that one - that's right

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that's because I put your name there

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there you go well thank you gene but as

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far as research is concerned you know

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maybe we have to go back to the

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old-fashioned way looking things up in

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books and magazine articles don't say

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but someone writes an entire book and

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says well I pick up this material on the

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I believe in one case and I didn't

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double-check this in the book but he

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quoted someone from a message board if

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you think that the internet and blogs

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are uncured think about message boards

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especially above top secret there you go

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the godlike productions or the book of

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Thoth what this means though if you want

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to prove anything if you just want to

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find something that validates your point

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of view you'll find it oh yeah

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definitely

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and if you want to create validation you

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simply post on message board and people

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will agree with you and people will

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disagree so what you do of course is to

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quote the people who agree with you or

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you could post some research put

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somebody else's name on it and then cite

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that particular entry to support

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conclusion yes there's a bunch of

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different ways you can handle it well

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that's one way of doing it that's one

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way of doing it but in that case my

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conclusion about Edco mark is that he is

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sincere he has some fascinating ideas

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and it's always possible some of his

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ideas might be right yeah one thing he

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says that I kind of agree with is we

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TFE exists and we assume there's any tea

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whether or not they're here on this

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necessarily going to be friendly or

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friendlier than we are just because

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Steven Greer some of the new agers out

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there who believe that this benevolent

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space brothers are only out in space

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because they are allowed out in space

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because they're you know they're good

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guys so he's saying basically that if

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you are allowed to have a space program

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space program that means that you have

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think that look at voyages of discovery

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most times colonial powers or others set

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being it would adversely impact the the

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people that they discovered so who's to

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say that's not the case you know in the

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galaxy I think we might have some

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marauding space pirate types out there

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that are looking for resources looking

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for for things that they value you know

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and and I we might just be in the way so

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you can't assume that the benevolent

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space brothers are running the program

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out there and if they pretend to be

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malevolent well that might be the worst

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of all this week we have a return visit

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by the famed UFO historian Jerome Clark

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and but we're not going to talk just a

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hundred percent about UFOs or even

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partly by UFOs because he has a new

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edition of his book out called

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unexplained strange sightings incredible

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occurrences and puzzling physical

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phenomena this is the third edition and

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the interesting thing about this book is

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that's only partly related to UFOs

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yeah very not actually the vast majority

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of it is about other 40n type

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unexplained phenomena and this is an

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invaluable research book and as I

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mentioned Jean earlier this is I think

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the only book I have on the paranormal

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where I have now all three editions so I

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have three copies of the same book and

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you know every few years he's been

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adding some new entries in there and and

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this particular version of the book is

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very very attractive it's coming to us

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from visible ink press it's really well

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laid out and this is invaluable for as a

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research tool and remember you'll find

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us online over at Twitter where we're

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known as the power cast the power cast

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on Twitter Jerome Clark coming forth

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this week you're in the para cast

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you know neighbors during the summer it

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seems like almost everyone is on a

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different schedule applications have

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shorter days and they work remotely so

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meeting all your clients and colleagues

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in person can just be impossible that's

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matter where you are this summer here's

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at this game for more than a few years

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credit and Jim Mosley by the way being

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much older than the hills but you see

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there some interesting books that came

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out this week there's one called the

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authentic book of ultra terrestrial

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contacts which we're not going to

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mention because Jerome Clarke didn't

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write it that's from Tim Buckley we are

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going to mention the third edition of

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unexplained Jerry welcome back to the

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power cast tell us what's new different

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about the book the third edition well

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first of all thanks for having me guys I

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really appreciate it and it's always fun

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when I do this show the book it's a

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significantly changed version of the

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book it's of unexplained there's a lot

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of new material

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I dropped a bunch of material from the

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previous editions figuring that I had

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said all I had to say on those subjects

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but the new book has a lot of new

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material including a fair amount of

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material that has never appeared between

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book covers before so I think it's going

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to be a really interesting book even for

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people who are well read in the

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anomaly's literature and of course I

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think it'll be a lot of fun for people

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who aren't well-read in that but there's

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just I think the book turned out and I

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have to say I'm pleased with it well one

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of the things of course I was mentioning

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to our listeners before we got your eyes

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of fact that UFOs are just peripheral to

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this that we have so many other things

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going on like hairy dwarfs and ghost

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lice and serpents and teleportation and

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all this other stuff and thinking of

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things like teleportation for example

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and we always think of the movie the fly

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we think of beaming me to a new planet

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as they do in the Star Trek universe but

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in your particular case teleportation in

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relation to the unexplained what do you

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mean

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that was invented by Charles Fork the

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great writer on anomalies and it's the

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instantaneous transport from one place

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to another there are a number of you

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know curious anecdotes making those

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claims it's not the most evidently

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supported anomalous claim which is why

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it's in the curiosities rather than

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mystery section of my book as I recall

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because we just don't have evidence for

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it but there are stories that are always

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interesting and intriguing and it's a

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recurring theme throughout you know the

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human tradition of mysterious

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experiences in the case event what's

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your personal opinion about something

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like teleportation do you think that

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it's possible we'll learn that

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technology I think that we'll probably

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learn to be able to do just about

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anything given enough time and enough

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evolution of technology assuming that

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those happen at the same time yeah I

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think so

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I don't know why not but obviously it's

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beyond current physics so when something

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like this happens do you think is a

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natural phenomenon do you think somebody

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else is playing around over there or out

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there somewhere well I think that

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probably anything that happens isn't a

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natural phenomenon by definition but the

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mechanics of it you know you get

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teleportation like stories and some rare

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UFO cases and then you get teleportation

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like phenomena and you know fairy lore

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kinds of experiences religious context

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this is something that is alleged to

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occur just in a broad range of of human

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experiences of the otherworldly whatever

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particular guys that otherworldly

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experience takes at any given cultural

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moment now that's an interesting thing

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you point out here which is part and

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parcel these experiences that there's a

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cultural relationship between

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experiences and how they manifest

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themselves is that assuming therefore

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that our subconscious is influencing us

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well I could think

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about that one is that there are certain

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kinds of phenomena that are remarkably

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consistent over time and space one of

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them is the poltergeist poltergeist

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phenomena seem pretty much the same

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wherever and whenever they occur there

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are other things that seem to have a

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cultural component and at least the way

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the phenomena are proceeded for example

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of notorious that within the fairy

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tradition although certain themes run

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through all fairy traditions all over

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the world at all times all places the

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particular way that people see and

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experience these otherworldly entities

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changes to some extent this is also true

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of things like UFOs creatures they're

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both consistent and culture specific

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it's as if people have these experiences

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and experiences are genuinely mysterious

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and anomalous but the way their

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experience comes out of any particular

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cultures particular sense of the

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supernatural a particular society's idea

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of how an otherworldly experience would

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play out it's very strange you know we

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think of things as either objective or

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subjective but in so many of these

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things which I call experience anomaly

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they really seem to be both they seem to

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be occurring in some objective state but

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being experienced in some kind of

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personal subjective perception now

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looking at the subjective impression how

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does that affect it in your opinion well

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it affects what you see it affects your

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interpretation of what's happening to

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you you're encountering something that

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is genuinely really strange an outside

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current knowledge outside consensus

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reality but how you interpret that

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experience really depends on the kinds

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of ideas that a culture gives us about

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what extraordinary experiences would be

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like and what you would see and

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experience

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in that occurrence so for example if you

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were living in say the West of Ireland

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in the nineteenth century and you

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encountered mysterious entities that

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clearly were not part of our consensus

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reality you would probably experience

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them as very folk um in another context

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you might experience these things as

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demonic entities or just about any kind

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of way that you could imagine

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supernatural beings being you would

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might express them as ghosts or monsters

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or religious entities it just all

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depends on what you really expect to

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experience that doesn't mean the

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experience is a magic it's just that you

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experience in a certain way that is

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based upon your preconceived ideas of

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how this kind of experience would play

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out so basically you're saying it's

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cultural front-loading it's what we've

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kind of grown up and been entrained with

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by the culture and we revert to that

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front-loading when we experience

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something unusual yes 100 percent of the

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case I believe that there are things out

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there that we do experience that

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probably do have some kind of objective

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consensus reality existence even if it's

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unrecognized at the moment but most high

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strangeness experiences that people have

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come as you say with this cultural

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front-loading that doesn't make them any

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more less mysterious in fact if anything

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there are even more mysterious say that

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a certain percentage of okay we've got

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to do the break here then we'll go into

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why they're more mysterious

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we have drum clark joining gene and

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610
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Anderson have you ever wondered why

611
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612
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613
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614
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615
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won't recognize the value of gold for

616
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your attire men call this outperformed

617
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paper investments yet no word about IRAs

618
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619
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retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

620
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621
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:03,889
hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

622
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in to the para cast let me tell you what

623
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:09,179
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

624
00:27:15,619 --> 00:27:12,690
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

625
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:15,629
that George snoring with Gene and Chris

626
00:27:20,419 --> 00:27:17,730
you're in the power cast and we're

627
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:20,429
talking with Jerome Clark author of the

628
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,129
third edition of unexplained about

629
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:25,320
strange sightings incredible occurrences

630
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,190
and puzzling physical phenomena and we

631
00:27:34,639 --> 00:27:32,159
were now related to the cultural

632
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,649
conditioning and Jerry Howard front

633
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:36,840
loads our encounters with UFOs

634
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:40,710
yes or cryptozoological animals let's

635
00:27:48,249 --> 00:27:43,769
say for example that some reports of

636
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:48,259
UFOs or of unknown animals I really of

637
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:51,659
technological craft are genuinely hidden

638
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:54,809
animals that exist in in a conventional

639
00:28:00,159 --> 00:27:57,539
zoological sense some of these things

640
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,169
will be found some of these things are

641
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,000
experienced probably as they are for

642
00:28:08,509 --> 00:28:06,240
example if they're if some percentage of

643
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:08,519
UFO reports let's say the hard evidence

644
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:10,950
reports there's Close Encounters of the

645
00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:13,740
second kind radar visuals let's suppose

646
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:16,590
these represent actual perceptions of

647
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:19,049
actual extraterrestrial visitors but

648
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:21,539
most UFO experiences particularly the

649
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:24,299
really high strangest UFO experiences or

650
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,240
in the cryptozoological context the

651
00:28:32,539 --> 00:28:30,000
encounters with bizarre monsters these

652
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,549
are what I call experience anomalies as

653
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:35,159
opposed to anomalous events and this is

654
00:28:42,619 --> 00:28:39,090
where you encounter some unknown but

655
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:42,629
your mental process having processing

656
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:45,809
some it takes on the cultural coloration

657
00:28:49,399 --> 00:28:47,730
and I like that term cultural

658
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:49,409
front-loading I wish I thought that

659
00:28:53,389 --> 00:28:51,110
myself but that's a good way to put it

660
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:53,399
well one thing that I've often wondered

661
00:28:58,159 --> 00:28:56,220
having investigated hundreds and

662
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,169
hundreds of cases and interviewed

663
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:00,419
probably thousands of people by this

664
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:03,659
point one thing I've noticed is there

665
00:29:08,769 --> 00:29:06,360
may be the possibility that the types of

666
00:29:11,419 --> 00:29:08,779
events that people are experiencing are

667
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,429
not fully fleshed out in terms of

668
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,440
details that the actual experience or

669
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:16,320
somehow supplies some of the detailing

670
00:29:20,030 --> 00:29:18,420
which is accurate but only because

671
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:20,040
they're the ones that are experiencing

672
00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:23,070
it I see this kind of personal bias in

673
00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:25,590
multiple witness events let's say a

674
00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:27,540
group of people have an unusual

675
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,420
experience generally the facts of the

676
00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:33,120
experience will be fairly consistent but

677
00:29:39,410 --> 00:29:36,780
in times of duration and and sequence of

678
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:39,420
events and sometimes descriptions can

679
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:41,250
vary wildly and and I've always wondered

680
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,990
about that do you think that the

681
00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:44,940
experiencer may be partially responsible

682
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:47,550
for for the actual details of what

683
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,230
they're experiencing well yeah I think

684
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:51,360
there's some truth in that there's also

685
00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:53,880
other considerations for example in

686
00:29:59,390 --> 00:29:56,070
experience of the extraordinary is just

687
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,400
shocking people aren't prepared for it

688
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:01,440
everything is told them that it isn't

689
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,330
possible someone happens they're

690
00:30:09,530 --> 00:30:06,240
completely unprepared they're just in a

691
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,540
state of shock and in some cases denial

692
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:11,940
also many of these experiences are

693
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:14,790
fairly short duration so you have two

694
00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:16,170
things you have the shock and you have

695
00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:18,540
the shortness of the experience and

696
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:21,500
these things are really hard to

697
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:25,500
reconstruct and process and turn into

698
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,010
some kind of coherent narrative and so

699
00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:31,440
we have all kinds of things going that

700
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:35,280
get between us and perhaps the true

701
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,470
nature of the experience it doesn't mean

702
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:40,140
that people are are wrong or they were

703
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:42,930
imagining things it's just that because

704
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:45,090
of the nature of experience people have

705
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:48,450
a real hard time processing it because

706
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,370
nothing has prepared the floor other

707
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:53,760
more normal human events we're used to

708
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:56,250
we know how they work we more or less

709
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:58,860
expect even if they're you know

710
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:01,620
surprising or unpleasant we can talk

711
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:03,690
about them we have a narrative for them

712
00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:06,570
these things exist kind of outside you

713
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:09,150
know conventional narrative get

714
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:11,880
conventional causation I remember my own

715
00:31:15,530 --> 00:31:13,590
experience which I talked about in the

716
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,540
book of seeing you know phantom

717
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:18,480
Quantrill quadrupeds on about three

718
00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:20,310
different occasions and I had a very

719
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:21,780
difficult time dealing with the

720
00:31:27,770 --> 00:31:24,990
experience making sense of it even

721
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,780
acknowledging it that it was truly

722
00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:30,240
that's interesting I don't recall

723
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:32,280
actually right off the top of my head

724
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,450
that experience you want to give us a

725
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:35,640
quick thumbnail about that well this is

726
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:39,090
a new chapter on black dogs and this was

727
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:41,220
an incident that happened in the summer

728
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:44,490
of 2000 happened on three occasions on

729
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:46,530
the first two I was the only witness the

730
00:31:51,290 --> 00:31:48,150
second the third incident

731
00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:51,300
my wife heléne also saw this thing but

732
00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:54,900
it was a thing that I saw on our front

733
00:32:00,190 --> 00:31:58,350
steps during the summer of 2000 that

734
00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:00,200
unique and the first two occasions

735
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:04,350
between 10:30 11:00 p.m. and I was aware

736
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:06,540
that there was something on the porch I

737
00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:08,970
was pulling up in my car late in the

738
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:11,400
evenings there was something lying on

739
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:14,550
the front steps at first I thought it

740
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:17,130
was our dog but our dog was never out in

741
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:21,030
the front yard ever and I but I couldn't

742
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:24,630
quite see what it was but I knew that it

743
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:27,750
was some kind of animal and so I walked

744
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:29,610
quickly toward it but as I was walking

745
00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:33,809
toward it it left the steps and headed

746
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:36,300
off in a kind of southwestern direction

747
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,470
and then vanished in front of me maybe

748
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:43,260
about ten feet from me and I never got a

749
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:47,730
very good look at it but it was kind of

750
00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:52,200
like the general shape of a large dog

751
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,800
but it made no sound and it was there

752
00:32:59,540 --> 00:32:57,360
and then it wasn't there

753
00:33:01,580 --> 00:32:59,550
this happened on as I say on three

754
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:01,590
occasions I never got a very good look

755
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:04,290
at it it was almost more like the idea

756
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:07,050
of something than the thing itself

757
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:09,420
it was extremely puzzling and it took me

758
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:12,330
weeks before I could accept I had had a

759
00:33:17,419 --> 00:33:14,910
truly extraordinary experience I spent

760
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:17,429
all the rest that time researching

761
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:19,230
trying to figure out what kind of

762
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:21,300
conventional animal could have been that

763
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:23,790
and there were no candidates at the end

764
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,910
of that and of course also obviously

765
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:28,980
conventional animals don't vanishing

766
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,140
from your eyes but I couldn't even

767
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:33,840
process that detail I'm someone who

768
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:36,450
spent his life studying things and when

769
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:38,130
even I couldn't deal with what I would

770
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:42,960
see I can understand how naive with what

771
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:44,520
sort of timeframe they're all three

772
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:46,679
occurrences were they within a fairly

773
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:51,870
close proximity time weiser occurred at

774
00:33:58,580 --> 00:33:55,950
quarter to four and my wife and I just

775
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,590
happened to be up for various

776
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,600
circumstances which are described in the

777
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,120
book that had us up in an unusual horror

778
00:34:07,910 --> 00:34:05,700
the other two occurred between 10:30 and

779
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:07,920
11:00 p.m. so this is all like within

780
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:15,080
okay over a month's time these were

781
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:16,770
three different occasions over about a

782
00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:20,280
month the summer of 2000 interesting is

783
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:21,840
he never never really got to the bottom

784
00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:27,300
of it huh no purposeless they make any

785
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:32,669
sense it was like I saw some some what

786
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:34,649
appeared to be miniature kangaroos about

787
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:36,450
four inches high five inches high that

788
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:39,270
were hopping around the yard and and at

789
00:34:43,879 --> 00:34:41,490
first my family thought that these

790
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:43,889
things were kangaroo rats but there were

791
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:46,919
none anywhere in the area where I lived

792
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:49,050
and they didn't really look like

793
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,609
kangaroo rats because they didn't have

794
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:52,560
that that that tail they had a furry

795
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:55,409
tail which that always puzzled me I saw

796
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,240
these on a number of occasions one

797
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:58,740
summer when I was growing up I think I

798
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:01,260
was about eight or nine and I was able

799
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,450
to alert my dad and he actually saw one

800
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:05,400
two and we were both scratching our

801
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:10,230
heads going what the heck is that it had

802
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:12,030
tall ears like a kangaroo it didn't have

803
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:13,890
the small ears that you would equate

804
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:16,200
with a kangaroo rat so you know there

805
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,850
are some very strange things out there

806
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,200
and your book is filled with some

807
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,480
amazing stories with crypto creatures

808
00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:25,200
and in Moreau beans and there's some

809
00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:26,550
real good stuff in here right now I'm

810
00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:29,180
looking forward to covering some of it

811
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:38,340
good that was a good long answer no we

812
00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:41,970
got a bit more mystic you okay yes I

813
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:44,190
think for example one thing that I

814
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:45,900
particularly thought of is there is

815
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,410
perhaps the most comprehensive treatment

816
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:52,320
of mermaid sightings that anybody

817
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:55,170
compile to my knowledge I spent years

818
00:36:00,380 --> 00:35:58,260
working on that one I got interested in

819
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:00,390
mermaid sightings because I was looking

820
00:36:07,820 --> 00:36:05,760
for something akin to other kinds of

821
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:07,830
anomalous experiences but I wanted to

822
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:10,290
find something that was so outrageous

823
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:12,450
that nobody could argue that it acts

824
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:15,030
that these things actually existed but I

825
00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:17,190
wanted to see if the experiences of

826
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seeing mermaids had the same kind of

827
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feeling of the pivot feeling of reality

828
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:27,330
that other kinds of anomalous

829
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occurrences have we'll get into mermaids

830
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mermen and lots of other subjects with

831
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890
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899
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907
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909
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911
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912
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913
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915
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917
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918
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[Music]

937
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:08,200
seventy author reviewable miss reading

938
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:13,450
and this meaning to the parity is we

939
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:14,980
have Jerome Clarke the book is called

940
00:41:20,999 --> 00:41:17,700
unexplained in its third edition and we

941
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:21,009
ended the previous segment talking about

942
00:41:25,529 --> 00:41:23,890
mermaids and any time I think it

943
00:41:28,529 --> 00:41:25,539
mermaids I think of a certain film

944
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:28,539
called splash yeah Daryl Hannah well I

945
00:41:32,549 --> 00:41:29,890
wouldn't mind walking along a beach and

946
00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:32,559
finding her well in the quote unquote

947
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:35,319
real encounters with mermaids that have

948
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:36,970
been recorded historically for a long

949
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:39,609
time one thing you discover if you start

950
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:41,710
reading enough of them is that mermaids

951
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:45,430
and mermen aren't very much like Daryl

952
00:41:52,799 --> 00:41:49,049
Hannah in fact they don't even speak and

953
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:52,809
witnesses almost inevitably described

954
00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:56,980
them using the pronoun it and clearly

955
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:00,130
being what they are seeing is an animal

956
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,700
despite expand tastily human-like

957
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:06,160
appearance there is nothing that gives

958
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:08,200
the impression of a human level of

959
00:42:13,759 --> 00:42:10,210
intelligence of human personality

960
00:42:18,539 --> 00:42:13,769
these are strike people whose who

961
00:42:22,229 --> 00:42:18,549
allegedly see them as you know creatures

962
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:22,239
as opposed to beings and I had was

963
00:42:28,349 --> 00:42:24,609
deeply into the study this before I

964
00:42:31,529 --> 00:42:28,359
suddenly realize this is one consistent

965
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:31,539
theme of the sighting reports I'm not

966
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:34,630
arguing that that mermaids and mermen

967
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:37,089
exist in any biological sense if they

968
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:39,130
did there would be no question of their

969
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:41,529
existence because many of the sightings

970
00:42:47,759 --> 00:42:44,650
are shallow coastal waters where bodies

971
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,769
would washed ashore but nonetheless the

972
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:50,319
these sightings of these fantastic

973
00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:54,130
entities have the same kind of vivid

974
00:43:00,329 --> 00:42:57,430
sense of reality that encounters with

975
00:43:02,819 --> 00:43:00,339
you know lake monsters or carry bipeds

976
00:43:07,859 --> 00:43:02,829
or other kinds of creatures and monsters

977
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,869
have in other words this is the the

978
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:10,390
sensation of seeing mermaid is something

979
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,130
that can happen to you if experienceable

980
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:16,680
other words doesn't it's not an event

981
00:43:21,499 --> 00:43:18,410
because you're never going to get a body

982
00:43:23,539 --> 00:43:21,509
because they don't exist that way but

983
00:43:26,539 --> 00:43:23,549
they do exist in extraordinary

984
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:26,549
experience and that makes them as I want

985
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:29,220
to emphasize again no less puzzling if

986
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:32,460
anything even more puzzling then you

987
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:34,410
know the sightings of you know

988
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,599
quote-unquote conventional unusual

989
00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:39,119
animals how can you even say

990
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:41,430
conventional and unconventional but of

991
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,140
all the various legends with which you

992
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:45,359
deal with in the book which ones don't

993
00:43:51,249 --> 00:43:48,089
pass muster which ones are obviously not

994
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,259
strange or strange events but fake

995
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:54,000
imagination hoaxes well this is one

996
00:43:57,319 --> 00:43:55,500
thing I tried to do with the book I say

997
00:44:00,490 --> 00:43:57,329
in the introduction but I'm not going to

998
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,500
bore you with arguments about witness

999
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,119
misperception where somebody might have

1000
00:44:08,299 --> 00:44:05,640
seen something in bad viewing conditions

1001
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:08,309
and misinterpreted stimulus I'm going to

1002
00:44:12,769 --> 00:44:11,250
talk about stories where either the

1003
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:12,779
witness is telling the truth

1004
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:14,910
or he's lying and there's going to be

1005
00:44:20,269 --> 00:44:17,640
nothing in between and the last section

1006
00:44:24,049 --> 00:44:20,279
of the book which is called fables deals

1007
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,059
with stories of things that clearly are

1008
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:27,000
hoaxes that there's no ambiguity about

1009
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,430
them and some things are demonstrably

1010
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:34,500
impossible or are demonstrably false

1011
00:44:40,759 --> 00:44:38,579
because we know with certainty that the

1012
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:40,769
witness was lying about what he or she

1013
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,400
claimed to experience now these include

1014
00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:46,079
things like the Cottingley fairy

1015
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,150
photographs one of the most notorious

1016
00:44:55,809 --> 00:44:51,119
hoaxes in the history of photography and

1017
00:44:58,039 --> 00:44:55,819
the tradition of up stomach snakes where

1018
00:45:00,980 --> 00:44:58,049
it was once widely believed that

1019
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:00,990
stomachs could live inside your

1020
00:45:05,299 --> 00:45:03,150
gastrointestinal system without your

1021
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,309
knowing it and they would cause you all

1022
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:08,220
kinds of health problems and pain and

1023
00:45:13,339 --> 00:45:11,089
discomfort but eventually if the snake

1024
00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:13,349
eventually didn't kill you because of

1025
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:15,630
what I was doing to your health if it be

1026
00:45:21,769 --> 00:45:19,170
discharged ejected from the body through

1027
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,779
you know defecation or vomiting or

1028
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,180
something else if they be operating on

1029
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:26,640
you and find this snake curled inside

1030
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:27,400
you

1031
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:38,020
stargate sg1 not familiar with the gun

1032
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:41,349
but in my research i can implant all

1033
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:44,670
kinds of 19th century newspaper accounts

1034
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:47,529
printed is true claiming as it happened

1035
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:49,750
to various individuals around the

1036
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:52,450
country and there is a centuries-old

1037
00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:56,170
tradition all over the world of stomach

1038
00:46:02,910 --> 00:45:59,470
snakes and these stories are quite vivid

1039
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:02,920
and really horrifying even nauseating

1040
00:46:10,049 --> 00:46:05,670
and man bit excited all of us who are

1041
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:10,059
afraid of snakes anyway but I collected

1042
00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:12,010
a bunch of them and then and then relate

1043
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:14,109
them in the book about what these

1044
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:15,940
stories were like and how this tradition

1045
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:18,220
developed and why it couldn't possibly

1046
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,740
be true on any level I think that in a

1047
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:23,760
few cases you know there may have been

1048
00:46:29,579 --> 00:46:28,329
intentional misunderstanding for example

1049
00:46:31,529 --> 00:46:29,589
I think that some people may have had

1050
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:31,539
tapeworms or things like that that are

1051
00:46:36,539 --> 00:46:34,210
known yeah I was gonna mention that we

1052
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:36,549
do know that tapeworms are actually used

1053
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:40,329
by women I think in the Victoria Age as

1054
00:46:44,339 --> 00:46:41,260
weight loss

1055
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,349
it's like dieting aids I'd lose a lot of

1056
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:45,760
weight if I had one of those around I'll

1057
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,750
tell you memorable sight jeez

1058
00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:54,640
poor thing well you know how they used

1059
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,829
to get them out once the woman said I

1060
00:47:00,019 --> 00:46:58,000
would I don't want this tape for him

1061
00:47:03,089 --> 00:47:00,029
anymore they you know they grow quite

1062
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:03,099
quite long actually there was quite

1063
00:47:09,329 --> 00:47:06,490
quite dramatic they take warm milk in a

1064
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:09,339
bowl and coax it out by the person

1065
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,049
breathing the warm milk and it would

1066
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:14,319
draw the tape warm up that sounds like

1067
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:16,150
some of the stomach stick stories so

1068
00:47:21,779 --> 00:47:19,420
maybe that's the inspiration remember

1069
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,789
ladies and gentlemen that we understand

1070
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:23,680
you might be having dinner when you hear

1071
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:25,750
this show so let's just keep that under

1072
00:47:29,609 --> 00:47:26,529
consideration

1073
00:47:32,279 --> 00:47:29,619
well the story was that if you were you

1074
00:47:35,279 --> 00:47:32,289
drank from a stream out in the country

1075
00:47:37,289 --> 00:47:35,289
or you had slept out under the stars and

1076
00:47:40,589 --> 00:47:37,299
had your mouth open that was how the

1077
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:40,599
could snake could sneak into your into

1078
00:47:45,569 --> 00:47:41,210
your

1079
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:45,579
stories are reported quite

1080
00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:48,020
matter-of-factly in some of these old

1081
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:50,660
newspapers but they're not true they

1082
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:52,550
just couldn't possibly be true there's

1083
00:47:57,819 --> 00:47:55,609
no way that that this could happen it's

1084
00:47:59,500 --> 00:47:57,829
just physiologically impossible and

1085
00:48:02,200 --> 00:47:59,510
that's why I reject the stories not

1086
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:02,210
because they're fantastic stories but

1087
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:03,890
because they're just physiologically

1088
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:06,770
impossible well we had quite a story

1089
00:48:11,980 --> 00:48:09,470
here about a week or so ago right here

1090
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:11,990
in Mesa which is you know just east of

1091
00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:15,680
Phoenix they found in a suburban

1092
00:48:21,069 --> 00:48:19,190
neighborhood a 15-foot rattlesnake that

1093
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:21,079
weighed what was it

1094
00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:24,170
170 pounds or something I was huge I I

1095
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:27,260
don't I think it may be possibly a

1096
00:48:39,790 --> 00:48:37,960
huge huge oh boy I would not a and

1097
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:39,800
people wondering what happened to fluffy

1098
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:41,690
their little poodle or maybe their cats

1099
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:43,930
or something that thing could actually

1100
00:48:48,849 --> 00:48:46,990
probably eat an infant if it wanted to

1101
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:48,859
how was it found

1102
00:48:53,859 --> 00:48:51,049
I hadn't heard this play oh yeah it was

1103
00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:53,869
found I think inside a culvert near near

1104
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,940
a golf course if I remember correctly

1105
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,400
and I guess somebody saw in there they

1106
00:49:01,720 --> 00:48:59,599
called animal control and sure enough

1107
00:49:03,309 --> 00:49:01,730
they they were able to capture it and

1108
00:49:05,049 --> 00:49:03,319
there's a couple of photographs that

1109
00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:05,059
were published of them holding it up by

1110
00:49:10,329 --> 00:49:08,270
the noose around its neck and hold up as

1111
00:49:15,010 --> 00:49:10,339
high as they can and it thinks 15 feet

1112
00:49:20,859 --> 00:49:15,020
long a big rattlesnake at two and a half

1113
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,869
inch fangs yeah yeah they do get big but

1114
00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:23,119
that's time they got about like seven or

1115
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:26,660
eight feet yeah I always thought yeah

1116
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:29,450
maybe ten but they estimated this thing

1117
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,910
was probably over 20 years old when it

1118
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:34,400
rattled I bet she had had a rattle it's

1119
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:36,680
that could you could probably hear

1120
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:42,690
yeah don't want to be swallowing that

1121
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:45,350
well

1122
00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:50,670
there you go oh wow as I said this is

1123
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:53,340
not an episode for those who are having

1124
00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:55,710
lunch we have so many subjects to talk

1125
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:57,150
about let's just go through a few of

1126
00:50:01,580 --> 00:49:59,820
them here now I want to ask you though

1127
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:01,590
before we get back to the book did you

1128
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:04,650
get a chance to read this title about

1129
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:08,910
ass Tech from Scott Ramsey yes okay

1130
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:11,160
briefly and I guess you're gonna be

1131
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:12,690
brief about this what was your take on

1132
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:13,110
it

1133
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:18,270
which will be appearing in the Journal

1134
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:21,090
of scientific explorations which will be

1135
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:25,710
appearing sometime later this year but I

1136
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:27,210
read the book very carefully in fact I

1137
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:30,990
read is about three times and I did a

1138
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:35,130
lot of research and if I just don't

1139
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:38,630
believe any but I think that it's really

1140
00:50:44,860 --> 00:50:43,110
the most charitable thing and I could

1141
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:44,870
think to say about it is that it's

1142
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:48,450
unconvincingly argued and there's a lot

1143
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,880
more well maybe we could ask you just to

1144
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:55,980
spend maybe in our next segment another

1145
00:50:58,610 --> 00:50:56,730
minute or two

1146
00:51:01,400 --> 00:50:58,620
going into the areas where you had

1147
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,410
objections now for your information we

1148
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:04,020
didn't have Kevin Randall on the power

1149
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,180
cast a few weeks ago and we asked him

1150
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:08,520
the same question and he had a blog

1151
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:10,440
entry on the subject and he indicated

1152
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:12,750
where he felt the evidence came up short

1153
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:15,540
and I think very much of it concerns the

1154
00:51:21,110 --> 00:51:19,280
lack of direct witnesses and the lack of

1155
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:21,120
confirmation of so-called direct

1156
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,730
witnesses that they were even there when

1157
00:51:27,140 --> 00:51:25,380
the event may have occurred we have a

1158
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:27,150
lot more to talk about with Jerome Clark

1159
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:30,910
with Jean and Chris your endo para cast

1160
00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:38,480
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1161
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1165
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1177
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:16,970
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1178
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1179
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:21,080
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1180
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1197
00:54:10,479 --> 00:54:08,690
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1198
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,489
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1199
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:13,440
we have Jerome Clarke his third edition

1200
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:15,890
of unexplained is available right now

1201
00:54:21,799 --> 00:54:19,380
but we took a segue to talk about the

1202
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:21,809
book from Scott and Suzanne Ramsey with

1203
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:24,390
some help Frank Warren and others about

1204
00:54:30,289 --> 00:54:28,170
bass tech and I mentioned the one thing

1205
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:30,299
where there's a lot of concern the lack

1206
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:31,710
of direct witnesses

1207
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:36,180
what is your take yes I think also the

1208
00:54:43,729 --> 00:54:39,450
author's play rather fast and loose with

1209
00:54:48,229 --> 00:54:43,739
the testimony I think the testimony what

1210
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:48,239
there is which isn't a lot it's sort of

1211
00:54:57,769 --> 00:54:53,819
massaged to validate the narrative that

1212
00:55:01,579 --> 00:54:57,779
the Ramseys are promoting namely that

1213
00:55:07,729 --> 00:55:01,589
there was a there was a crash near Aztec

1214
00:55:11,269 --> 00:55:07,739
Mexico in 1948 and when you read the

1215
00:55:13,999 --> 00:55:11,279
book with any degree of critical

1216
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:14,009
intelligence you see there just isn't

1217
00:55:21,019 --> 00:55:17,609
the case yeah this is one thing I've had

1218
00:55:23,749 --> 00:55:21,029
a lot over the course of a lifetime

1219
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:23,759
reading this kind of literature there's

1220
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:28,980
a whole genre makes a whole lot very

1221
00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:32,460
little and the author will make great

1222
00:55:40,099 --> 00:55:36,509
claims for the strength of his argument

1223
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:40,109
when in fact the argument is is weak to

1224
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:42,630
non-existent and this was an example of

1225
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,670
this it seemed to me that that the

1226
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:46,920
Ramseys came into this determined to

1227
00:55:51,319 --> 00:55:49,079
make a case and I'm not accusing them of

1228
00:55:54,019 --> 00:55:51,329
being deliberately dishonest they may

1229
00:55:56,839 --> 00:55:54,029
have just wanted so much for this to be

1230
00:56:00,499 --> 00:55:56,849
true that they kind of persuaded

1231
00:56:03,499 --> 00:56:00,509
themselves but as one who has no skin in

1232
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:03,509
the game I just found it just really

1233
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,450
really unconvincing and Kevin Randleman

1234
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:08,160
you just mentioned it was really helpful

1235
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,880
to me

1236
00:56:13,610 --> 00:56:11,760
exchanging notes and he provided some

1237
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:13,620
materials to me as I was writing this

1238
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:16,680
really kind of in-depth examination of

1239
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:19,680
why the book doesn't work and why there

1240
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:22,080
is no reason for anybody to think that

1241
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:24,060
there was a couple crashing a snake in

1242
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:27,180
1948 or any other time now the other

1243
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:31,020
case to compare Roswell how does the

1244
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:33,810
Roswell case stand and for those of us

1245
00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:36,270
who have not discussed that much with

1246
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:37,830
you and a lot of listeners haven't heard

1247
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:40,680
it with the Roswell case what do you

1248
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:42,750
think stands for it and against it

1249
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:45,330
fairly briefly well I think that what

1250
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:49,020
stands for Roswell is a fairly present

1251
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:52,170
body of interlocking testimony that's

1252
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:54,330
something really extraordinary and not a

1253
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,960
weather balloon happened and that is

1254
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,940
really intriguing to me in fact this

1255
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:02,640
past weekend I spent some time with Don

1256
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:05,430
mittens one of the leading Roswell

1257
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:07,290
investigators who's been at it for about

1258
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:08,310
25 years

1259
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,290
Kevin Randall obviously is another

1260
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:13,920
xpress investigator and I find all

1261
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:16,680
that's really intriguing it keeps my

1262
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:20,310
mind open on the other side what makes

1263
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,610
me skeptical is that if something like

1264
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:25,260
this happened it would leave a big

1265
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:28,170
footprint in history the history of the

1266
00:57:33,110 --> 00:57:31,410
world after world war 2 would be very

1267
00:57:35,570 --> 00:57:33,120
different there be all kinds of fallout

1268
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:35,580
in terms of you know technological

1269
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:38,040
development international relations

1270
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:39,450
history of the Cold War would be

1271
00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:41,010
different because the US government

1272
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:44,190
would have had access to you know some

1273
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:45,900
kind of extraordinary technology which

1274
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:51,330
could have you know been used in that's

1275
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:52,740
the argument I make against Colonel

1276
00:57:59,810 --> 00:57:56,130
Corso also yeah he was the bagman for

1277
00:58:02,810 --> 00:57:59,820
the government to bring et technology

1278
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:02,820
into private industry he stuck with the

1279
00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:05,130
low-hanging fruit and didn't go very far

1280
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,120
one of my major interested in history I

1281
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:11,520
read an enormous amount of history I've

1282
00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:14,370
got a lot of you know post-war history

1283
00:58:20,810 --> 00:58:17,550
looking all the time for any evidence

1284
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:20,820
that some kind of magical advanced

1285
00:58:24,839 --> 00:58:22,150
technology was

1286
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:24,849
opt into this history and there is zero

1287
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:26,710
evidence to that effect

1288
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:30,240
it just beggars reason to believe that

1289
00:58:34,769 --> 00:58:32,140
extraterrestrial technology could have

1290
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,779
been recovered and banished without any

1291
00:58:39,779 --> 00:58:37,359
trace of subsequent history on the other

1292
00:58:41,759 --> 00:58:39,789
hand since I have a lot of respect for

1293
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:41,769
Kevin Randle and dodging some of these

1294
00:58:46,019 --> 00:58:43,420
people who have spent a lot of time with

1295
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:46,029
this there is a genuine mystery there

1296
00:58:53,549 --> 00:58:50,490
and so I just basically sit back and

1297
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:53,559
presume that nothing happened while

1298
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:56,890
keeping my mind open for subsequent

1299
00:59:00,989 --> 00:58:59,170
developments there's no question that

1300
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:00,999
there is a lot of interesting and

1301
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:03,940
intriguing material associated with the

1302
00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:07,150
Roswell incident but that is not the

1303
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:09,670
case with a hashtag with Roswell there's

1304
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:12,609
nobody disputes that something happened

1305
00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:15,910
with aspect there's no evidence of any

1306
00:59:20,279 --> 00:59:18,849
consequence that anything happened we

1307
00:59:21,870 --> 00:59:20,289
see the distinction and the one thing I

1308
00:59:24,450 --> 00:59:21,880
want to ask you of course about alien

1309
00:59:27,089 --> 00:59:24,460
technology even if they recovered a

1310
00:59:29,339 --> 00:59:27,099
spaceship from Roswell New Mexico

1311
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:29,349
there's no guarantee that we'd be able

1312
00:59:34,049 --> 00:59:31,420
to reverse-engineer the technology or

1313
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:34,059
we'd even understand it I mean just take

1314
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:36,130
your iphone and bring it back a hundred

1315
00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:44,549
but it seems to me that it would have

1316
00:59:58,799 --> 00:59:56,380
been possible to have learned so that

1317
01:00:02,759 --> 00:59:58,809
seems to argue against Roswell other

1318
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,769
than maybe you have some kind of crash

1319
01:00:06,989 --> 01:00:05,920
of maybe a test aircraft well there's no

1320
01:00:09,029 --> 01:00:06,999
organs for that either

1321
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,039
I mean there's evidence that something

1322
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,680
happened that has yet to be fully

1323
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:14,799
accounted and a number of people an

1324
01:00:18,809 --> 01:00:16,390
impressive number of people who were

1325
01:00:21,479 --> 01:00:18,819
involved in this believe that they were

1326
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:21,489
dealing with the crash of an

1327
01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:24,609
extraterrestrial craft with bodies and

1328
01:00:30,749 --> 01:00:28,180
if you take the argument and just look

1329
01:00:33,539 --> 01:00:30,759
solely at this testimony of people who

1330
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:33,549
seem to be quite sincere and we're

1331
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:36,220
genuinely startled and upset

1332
01:00:41,339 --> 01:00:38,800
frightened you know then you got the

1333
01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:41,349
case for a spaceship crashing Roswell

1334
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:44,380
but it doesn't happen in that vacuum it

1335
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:47,830
had to have happened within history so

1336
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:50,230
that's the paradox the cannot conundrum

1337
01:00:56,730 --> 01:00:53,410
that those of us who are interested in

1338
01:00:59,550 --> 01:00:56,740
this have to deal with and so basically

1339
01:01:02,190 --> 01:00:59,560
I just feel comfortable with being

1340
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:02,200
agnostic about it I don't know what

1341
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:04,270
happened I don't think anything has been

1342
01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:06,910
proved one way or another and we'll just

1343
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:08,320
have to stand by for further

1344
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:10,210
developments and there are further

1345
01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:12,730
developments which will be released and

1346
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:15,550
publicized in time Roswell is not a

1347
01:01:18,839 --> 01:01:17,650
static story you say further

1348
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:18,849
developments you're hinting at something

1349
01:01:25,859 --> 01:01:22,570
here Jerry yes there are coming

1350
01:01:29,550 --> 01:01:25,869
developments and it's not for me to say

1351
01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:29,560
what they are but the people who are

1352
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:32,740
doing that research will be coming

1353
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:34,650
forward with new and interesting

1354
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:37,690
developments in in the future so it's

1355
01:01:44,099 --> 01:01:40,420
not a static story are you referring to

1356
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:44,109
- Kevin's new effort with Antony regalia

1357
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:47,950
and I think David yeah there's a number

1358
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:50,530
of people that now have been dubbed the

1359
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:51,970
dream team are you talking about their

1360
01:02:02,640 --> 01:01:53,170
effort or something else

1361
01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:02,650
I don't want to sound mysterious it's

1362
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:06,040
just that you know there are new

1363
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,070
developments from on various fronts well

1364
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:11,200
it's the case it just won't go away I

1365
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:13,390
have a question here that I thought I

1366
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:16,150
think would be appropriate to ask it dis

1367
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:18,460
juncture talking about the Ramses in the

1368
01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:21,160
Aztec book this comes from century who's

1369
01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:24,190
been a poster at forum dr. Peric ascom

1370
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:26,470
for about a year and a half now very

1371
01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:29,290
he's very diligent poster as well and he

1372
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:31,150
says Jerry a certain amount of dramatic

1373
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,400
license is expected in retelling a

1374
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:35,920
paranormal event but some writers go too

1375
01:02:40,849 --> 01:02:38,410
far at what point does a dramatic

1376
01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:40,859
portrayal become fiction now of course

1377
01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:43,240
several names come to mind John keel

1378
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:45,940
being one of them gray bark gray Barker

1379
01:02:51,010 --> 01:02:47,690
yeah of course

1380
01:02:54,190 --> 01:02:51,020
so give us your rule of thumb about that

1381
01:02:57,609 --> 01:02:54,200
where where do the facts leave off and

1382
01:02:58,510 --> 01:02:57,619
fiction begin well when you start making

1383
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:58,520
stuff up

1384
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:01,280
you know when the reporter starts making

1385
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:04,630
stuff up obviously and and John keel and

1386
01:03:11,230 --> 01:03:07,640
gray Barker are two very good examples

1387
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:11,240
of that I think that that keel was in

1388
01:03:17,650 --> 01:03:15,020
many ways in the grips of certain very

1389
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:17,660
strong beliefs that caused him to fool

1390
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:21,190
himself and it made him a little crazy

1391
01:03:25,569 --> 01:03:23,420
whereas I think that grey Barker was

1392
01:03:31,089 --> 01:03:25,579
always entirely sane always know exactly

1393
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:31,099
what he was doing and I think that it's

1394
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,400
someone I believe the reverse that yeah

1395
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:35,599
but we'll get into more of this in a

1396
01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:36,079
moment

1397
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:38,270
we have Jerome Clark joining gene and

1398
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:41,260
Chris you're in the para cast

1399
01:03:55,090 --> 01:03:51,840
hey neighbors you seen all those crazy

1400
01:03:57,490 --> 01:03:55,100
wacky products on TV the perfect

1401
01:04:01,390 --> 01:03:57,500
tortilla easy covers hot booties

1402
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,400
furniture fix petty spin and more where

1403
01:04:06,609 --> 01:04:03,680
do you find all that stuff you go to as

1404
01:04:09,370 --> 01:04:06,619
seen on tv comm because this is the

1405
01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:09,380
one-stop source for all of these TV

1406
01:04:15,130 --> 01:04:11,720
goods advertised find all your favorites

1407
01:04:18,180 --> 01:04:15,140
is seen on TV check them out as seen on

1408
01:04:19,870 --> 01:04:18,190
tv dot-com and by the way save 10%

1409
01:04:23,740 --> 01:04:19,880
here's what you do

1410
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:23,750
use the code scene 1 scen

1411
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:28,250
number 1 scene 1 go to as seen on TV

1412
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:31,970
come to order save 10% purchase this

1413
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:34,880
summer's hottest as seen on tv items

1414
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:38,960
save 10% or call one eight six six two

1415
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:41,270
seven seven three three six six one

1416
01:04:47,710 --> 01:04:44,210
eight six six two seven seven three

1417
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:47,720
three six six the code scene 1 to save

1418
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,720
10% have you ever felt like the United

1419
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:51,920
States government knows way too much

1420
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:54,170
about your financial affairs I continue

1421
01:04:58,210 --> 01:04:55,970
to hear stories about property seizures

1422
01:05:00,280 --> 01:04:58,220
frozen bank accounts confiscation of

1423
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:00,290
stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

1424
01:05:04,210 --> 01:05:02,210
the US citizen will ever again have the

1425
01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:04,220
right to life liberty and the pursuit of

1426
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:06,680
happiness unfortunately with the drug

1427
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:08,750
and money laundering Act the IRS Revenue

1428
01:05:12,910 --> 01:05:11,570
Ruling 60-45 of 1984 and the trading

1429
01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:12,920
with the enemy Act in Franklin D

1430
01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:15,859
Roosevelt executive order of 1933 some

1431
01:05:19,780 --> 01:05:17,750
precious metal holdings are subject to

1432
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:19,790
government intervention for this reason

1433
01:05:23,230 --> 01:05:21,500
Midas Resources has prepared a report

1434
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:23,240
explaining the boundaries of trading

1435
01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:25,190
precious metals privately whether if you

1436
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:27,020
have any intention of trading with Midas

1437
01:05:30,310 --> 01:05:28,730
resources or not I have instructed my

1438
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:30,320
representatives to give this report out

1439
01:05:37,290 --> 01:05:51,299
[Music]

1440
01:05:55,749 --> 01:05:53,829
Alex Jones here with a great way to beat

1441
01:05:57,549 --> 01:05:55,759
the blackout's get off the grid and

1442
01:05:59,499 --> 01:05:57,559
generate your own supply of electrical

1443
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,509
power folks with what's been going on in

1444
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:00,799
this country I don't have to tell you

1445
01:06:03,759 --> 01:06:02,209
about the power grid and just how

1446
01:06:06,009 --> 01:06:03,769
vulnerable it is that's in the

1447
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:06,019
mainstream news every day millions of

1448
01:06:09,729 --> 01:06:07,729
people have lost their power in the last

1449
01:06:10,689 --> 01:06:09,739
few weeks because of dangerous storms

1450
01:06:12,279 --> 01:06:10,699
and killer Heat

1451
01:06:14,709 --> 01:06:12,289
it's pushing the grid beyond its

1452
01:06:16,509 --> 01:06:14,719
capacity I've always said that every

1453
01:06:18,699 --> 01:06:16,519
family needs to be ready for blackouts

1454
01:06:20,709 --> 01:06:18,709
and if you don't have a backup system in

1455
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,719
place I've got a great opportunity for

1456
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,400
you right now our good friends at

1457
01:06:27,009 --> 01:06:24,559
solutions from science are offering huge

1458
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,019
savings on their best-selling power hub

1459
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:29,359
unit in fact I think it's the best deal

1460
01:06:34,029 --> 01:06:31,670
I've ever seen them make it's literally

1461
01:06:35,890 --> 01:06:34,039
thousands of dollars in savings remember

1462
01:06:37,959 --> 01:06:35,900
these backup systems don't need gas

1463
01:06:40,019 --> 01:06:37,969
because they're solar-powered that means

1464
01:06:42,219 --> 01:06:40,029
there's no dangerous fumes and no noise

1465
01:06:45,339 --> 01:06:42,229
Infowars listeners can get all the

1466
01:06:50,829 --> 01:06:45,349
details at beat the blackouts calm

1467
01:06:52,569 --> 01:06:50,839
that's beat the blackouts calm my name

1468
01:06:53,410 --> 01:06:52,579
is Leslie and I've had depression since

1469
01:06:55,870 --> 01:06:53,420
I was a child

1470
01:06:57,459 --> 01:06:55,880
after being on prison for 20 years I got

1471
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:57,469
on to the warmer obey and my need for

1472
01:07:02,170 --> 01:07:00,079
Prozac was reduced by 50% within a few

1473
01:07:04,449 --> 01:07:02,180
months now after less than one year

1474
01:07:06,009 --> 01:07:04,459
I am completely off of Prozac I learned

1475
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:06,019
that mercury is a toxin that causes

1476
01:07:09,819 --> 01:07:08,660
brain damage and depression but taking

1477
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,829
one role play I know that I've

1478
01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:11,839
detoxified my brain of mercury and

1479
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:14,359
excess glutamate and I'm now functioning

1480
01:07:18,459 --> 01:07:15,890
with this dramatic improvement in my

1481
01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:18,469
mood the power to change your life lies

1482
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:20,660
in part in the power you have to change

1483
01:07:24,249 --> 01:07:22,670
your body's chemistry through diet and

1484
01:07:26,019 --> 01:07:24,259
supplementation you have the power to

1485
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:26,029
change your body's chemistry to support

1486
01:07:30,130 --> 01:07:27,529
dramatic improvements in health and

1487
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:30,140
happiness nature has been and always

1488
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,569
will be mankind's first and only

1489
01:07:36,670 --> 01:07:34,640
pharmacy to choose from change your

1490
01:07:38,589 --> 01:07:36,680
chemistry and change your life with one

1491
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,599
world way call eight eight eight nine

1492
01:07:42,759 --> 01:07:40,640
eight eight three three two five that's

1493
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:42,769
eight eight eight nine eight eight three

1494
01:07:47,049 --> 01:07:45,920
three two five or visit one world wacom

1495
01:07:51,210 --> 01:07:47,059
that's one world

1496
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:53,819
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1497
01:07:59,790 --> 01:07:55,839
comment or question about the para cast

1498
01:08:03,059 --> 01:07:59,800
sent it to news at the para cast com

1499
01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:03,069
that's news at the para cast dot-com and

1500
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:05,230
don't forget to visit our famous para

1501
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:08,410
cast community forums at forum dot the

1502
01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:13,030
para cast common with gene and Chris we

1503
01:08:17,849 --> 01:08:15,160
talked to Jerome Clark starting to ask

1504
01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:17,859
your questions from forum doctor para

1505
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:20,100
cast calm and we've got a bunch and

1506
01:08:27,180 --> 01:08:22,630
let's go back to what you said about

1507
01:08:29,370 --> 01:08:27,190
gray Barker and John keel so Barker knew

1508
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,380
when he was being fast and loose with

1509
01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:31,839
the facts that was part of this thing

1510
01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:34,660
but you were saying that he'll got

1511
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:37,540
caught up in events I think that he'll

1512
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:41,020
was essentially a demonologist who had

1513
01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:43,270
this kind of belief that all these

1514
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:45,670
strange phenomena UFOs and everything

1515
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:49,680
else were caused by you know hostile

1516
01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:52,330
supernatural entities that had been

1517
01:08:56,670 --> 01:08:54,430
traditionally known as demons and kill

1518
01:09:00,269 --> 01:08:56,680
himself with acknowledge that connection

1519
01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:00,279
but he began to believe because of the

1520
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:03,790
particularly strange psychological

1521
01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:07,449
structure of John keel that he it was

1522
01:09:14,579 --> 01:09:11,109
very hard for him to separate his own

1523
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:14,589
beliefs from what was quote-unquote

1524
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:18,580
really happening and so he would see

1525
01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:21,730
things and even write things but really

1526
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:24,040
weren't there but he believed they were

1527
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,130
there because they had to be there you

1528
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:29,920
know it's really a question of John

1529
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:31,690
kills not the only human being was

1530
01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:32,890
suffered from this but it's really

1531
01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:37,380
believing your own BS and kill was just

1532
01:09:45,599 --> 01:09:41,670
self-deluded it's a bit of an indictment

1533
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:45,609
well I think that people who knew John

1534
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:48,310
or read has worked carefully yeah would

1535
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:49,750
agree with that I don't think that

1536
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,730
that's a radical charge true to we've

1537
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,320
got a whole bunch of questions here

1538
01:10:01,560 --> 01:09:58,960
dread I'd love to throw a few at you I'm

1539
01:10:03,419 --> 01:10:01,570
in the midst right now of lining up some

1540
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:03,429
investigators who have been spending

1541
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,410
years working on the sure

1542
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:08,080
and ranch case up in Utah that George

1543
01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:10,030
Knapp and comme Kelleher dressed in

1544
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:12,030
their book hunt for the skinwalker and

1545
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:15,250
Poulter worst who's again a fairly long

1546
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:17,350
time poster it formed out the para cast

1547
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,350
calm has quite a list of questions here

1548
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:22,480
but one of them he asked about your

1549
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:24,610
knowledge about that case in the book

1550
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:26,710
hunt for the skinwalker which I still

1551
01:10:31,890 --> 01:10:28,900
try to wrap my mind around giant

1552
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:31,900
bulletproof wolves are described did you

1553
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:33,430
personally speak with any of the people

1554
01:10:39,630 --> 01:10:35,650
involved were these animals also seen by

1555
01:10:41,310 --> 01:10:39,640
the scientists why are the scientists

1556
01:10:43,410 --> 01:10:41,320
still mostly not talking openly about

1557
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:43,420
what they experienced up there how much

1558
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:47,710
have you looked into that case read the

1559
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:49,570
book which I thought was very

1560
01:10:54,990 --> 01:10:52,150
interesting the only thing I can

1561
01:10:59,610 --> 01:10:55,000
contribute to this is that in the course

1562
01:11:02,610 --> 01:10:59,620
of my archival research I did come upon

1563
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:02,620
a late 19th century report and I'm

1564
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:04,450
fortunate I don't have the details in my

1565
01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:10,440
head a giant kind of supernatural wolf

1566
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,180
which reminded me very much of what

1567
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:15,520
figures in the first chapter of the

1568
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,130
skinwalker and I immediately made that

1569
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:20,560
connection in fact I think that I keep

1570
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:22,630
inside an email to Georgia Knapp about

1571
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,130
it but I just don't remember the details

1572
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:27,040
but it was from the clipping from

1573
01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:29,650
probably about the 1880s describing a

1574
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,880
whole bunch of strange events focused on

1575
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:36,400
one place and one of the things

1576
01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:39,790
mentioned was this large wolf like

1577
01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:42,190
animals nobody could identify and his

1578
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:45,340
behavior was very strange so there may

1579
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:48,160
be some precedent for reports like that

1580
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:53,050
not talking about werewolf oh we're

1581
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:54,970
talking about werewolves well that's

1582
01:11:58,350 --> 01:11:56,260
that's dog man that's a whole different

1583
01:12:01,200 --> 01:11:58,360
thing that's supposedly gone on up there

1584
01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:01,210
were thee where the bipedal like a throb

1585
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:04,870
how do you say that was seen I jump the

1586
01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:07,570
rooftop in the town of Fort Dechaine in

1587
01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:08,830
front of witnesses including law

1588
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:11,080
enforcement and then another case that I

1589
01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:12,430
think what might have been mentioned in

1590
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:13,990
hunt hunt for the skinwalker where they

1591
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:17,050
saw one of these bipedal sort of dog men

1592
01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:18,760
leaning up against the tree smoking a

1593
01:12:26,190 --> 01:12:25,780
cigarette I just love that that look go

1594
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:26,200
figure

1595
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:28,750
it's a pretty strange set of events

1596
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:30,670
we're gonna have a show as I mentioned

1597
01:12:34,860 --> 01:12:32,890
earlier about this coming up here soon

1598
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:34,870
you might want to tune in to listen to

1599
01:12:38,730 --> 01:12:36,790
that we we might have a couple of

1600
01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:38,740
special guests that will be revealed

1601
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:40,600
publicly for the first time he's not

1602
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:42,520
even telling me yeah gene doesn't know

1603
01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:43,870
yet I was gonna talk to him about it

1604
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:47,590
later yeah yeah it's gonna be a

1605
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:49,980
roundtable with a number of participants

1606
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,730
under deep NDA under deep NDA

1607
01:13:01,680 --> 01:12:58,080
non-disclosure s'en may be anonymous

1608
01:13:02,940 --> 01:13:01,690
depending on who we get we're working on

1609
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:02,950
it's gonna be a really good show I'm

1610
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:04,330
looking forward to it we have to run

1611
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:06,310
their voice through a mixing machine I

1612
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:09,060
don't think so I just don't ask his name

1613
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:12,550
we had an abductee on the fara cast once

1614
01:13:17,190 --> 01:13:15,880
where we called him Doug but we never

1615
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:17,200
revealed his real name

1616
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:20,710
was he from Dugway do you hear the sound

1617
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:28,090
of silence yeah sure yeah we've got a

1618
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:32,320
bunch here okay this is coming from one

1619
01:13:38,910 --> 01:13:35,230
of our newer forum members Kenna chorus

1620
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:38,920
and he says magic wish time of all the

1621
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:40,690
mysteries you've investigated explored

1622
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:42,850
debunked etc which one would you be

1623
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,460
willing to sacrifice all others for in

1624
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:47,920
order to find out the complete truth of

1625
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:50,020
its existence or nonexistence and he

1626
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:51,730
gives the example you would never know

1627
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:54,610
the true history purpose nature or goal

1628
01:13:59,340 --> 01:13:57,850
of UFOs but we receive all complete

1629
01:14:00,900 --> 01:13:59,350
information about Bigfoot

1630
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:00,910
proof of its existence or nonexistence

1631
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:03,010
based on science and physical evidence

1632
01:14:08,210 --> 01:14:04,930
beyond a shadow of a doubt which one

1633
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:08,220
would you want to know the answer to

1634
01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:11,050
sacrifice in all the others now that's

1635
01:14:14,490 --> 01:14:12,280
an excellent question

1636
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:14,500
you didn't as it happens just this past

1637
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:17,500
weekend I addressed that subject I

1638
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:19,330
wasn't counting some Michigan Mike

1639
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:22,450
swords out for a gathering of the of

1640
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:25,480
Koufos personnel and officers we hadn't

1641
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,970
met in years and we got together and we

1642
01:14:30,989 --> 01:14:29,920
were talking about everything and I made

1643
01:14:33,629 --> 01:14:30,999
the point

1644
01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:33,639
if I had to give up all else there was

1645
01:14:40,049 --> 01:14:36,849
only one thing left that I could have it

1646
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:40,059
would be airships I have been studying

1647
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:42,550
while courts of mysteries airships from

1648
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:44,590
the late 19th century and early 20th

1649
01:14:48,989 --> 01:14:45,369
centuries

1650
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:48,999
since the 1960s and they still intrigued

1651
01:14:55,020 --> 01:14:51,820
and fascinated engage me and I would

1652
01:14:57,569 --> 01:14:55,030
love to know what that was all about so

1653
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:57,579
where do you lean being probably one of

1654
01:15:02,129 --> 01:14:59,260
our most knowledgeable experts on that

1655
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,139
subject with which direction do you lean

1656
01:15:07,140 --> 01:15:04,719
with that well I think it's that these

1657
01:15:09,629 --> 01:15:07,150
reports were at the core ballot there

1658
01:15:12,209 --> 01:15:09,639
were many obviously things of Venus

1659
01:15:14,879 --> 01:15:12,219
there were stories that were just made

1660
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:14,889
up a whole cloth but there was a

1661
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:16,690
phenomenon where people were seeing

1662
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:20,249
dirigible like objects with sometimes

1663
01:15:24,089 --> 01:15:21,880
extraordinary performance

1664
01:15:26,879 --> 01:15:24,099
characteristics but there were no dirt

1665
01:15:31,049 --> 01:15:26,889
Abel's United States and certainly not

1666
01:15:33,779 --> 01:15:31,059
in that kind of quantity in the 1890s

1667
01:15:37,529 --> 01:15:33,789
and before we're tracing this phenomena

1668
01:15:39,989 --> 01:15:37,539
slowly back to at least 1850s and it was

1669
01:15:42,750 --> 01:15:39,999
an international phenomenon by the early

1670
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:42,760
part of the 20th century sightings in

1671
01:15:49,469 --> 01:15:45,090
New Zealand South Africa Australia

1672
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:49,479
Mexico and it's very puzzling there's no

1673
01:15:53,969 --> 01:15:51,610
question that people were seeing things

1674
01:15:55,049 --> 01:15:53,979
that look like dirty bowls where there

1675
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:55,059
were no dirigible

1676
01:15:59,819 --> 01:15:57,489
and these things apparently even landed

1677
01:16:02,580 --> 01:15:59,829
on occasion and people talked with their

1678
01:16:05,129 --> 01:16:02,590
crews and pass themselves off as

1679
01:16:08,189 --> 01:16:05,139
ordinary Americans they claim to be

1680
01:16:11,129 --> 01:16:08,199
inventors we know they weren't and yet

1681
01:16:13,859 --> 01:16:11,139
some of these contact close encounter

1682
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:13,869
cases which we could easily dismiss as

1683
01:16:17,719 --> 01:16:15,070
sheer fantasy

1684
01:16:20,939 --> 01:16:17,729
some of them seem genuinely puzzling

1685
01:16:22,649 --> 01:16:20,949
involving people whose sincerity doesn't

1686
01:16:25,589 --> 01:16:22,659
seem to be open to question I've done

1687
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:25,599
some research into the background of

1688
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:27,489
some of these people and they certainly

1689
01:16:31,799 --> 01:16:30,130
don't look like hoaxers and Childers

1690
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we're going to more of this in a moment

1691
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1727
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1728
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tell you there's no such thing as a

1729
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1735
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1736
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1740
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settlement with the IRS that will put

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your tax nightmare behind you forever

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1745
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first six months of 2012 marks the

1746
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hottest half year on record 78% of the

1747
01:19:00,680 --> 01:18:58,710
Midwest Corn Belt is in drought

1748
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conditions not only corn but snowy

1749
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alfalfa fruits vegetables and wheat are

1750
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:05,400
all impacted raising prices the cost to

1751
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:07,320
feed livestock is forcing farmers and

1752
01:19:11,210 --> 01:19:09,000
ranchers out of business blowing up your

1753
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food prices the only strategy to counter

1754
01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:13,320
this is to freeze your food cost at

1755
01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:14,940
today's prices by getting your own

1756
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,160
supply of foods for me foods direct now

1757
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:18,960
as the price of raw ingredients

1758
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:20,610
increases EFA's will have to raise

1759
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:22,410
prices too now is the time to get your

1760
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:24,540
supply I recently increased my supply

1761
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for me foods direct because we've all

1762
01:19:29,690 --> 01:19:27,690
known this was coming you know about

1763
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:29,700
their delicious long-term storable foods

1764
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,950
the fact is you can eat it anytime to

1765
01:19:35,420 --> 01:19:33,600
save money today and because it stores

1766
01:19:37,190 --> 01:19:35,430
for 25 years they're locking in today's

1767
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:37,200
prices and avoiding the rising food cost

1768
01:19:43,460 --> 01:19:40,800
don't wait call 800 409 5 6 3 3 or go to

1769
01:19:46,190 --> 01:19:43,470
eat foods - Rhett comm Ford / Alex all

1770
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,200
800 or oh 9 5 6 3 3 or even Shahrukh

1771
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:48,960
Khan 4 / Alex you can bet your life on a

1772
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,690
food direct what do you do when your

1773
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propane runs out and you don't have a

1774
01:19:57,470 --> 01:19:55,500
large amount of wood for cooking that's

1775
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when you need a Grover rocket stove from

1776
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stock storage calm the Grover rocket

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1778
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material like junk mail small twigs

1779
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:06,780
leaves weeds or dry sagebrush then just

1780
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add a small amount of kindling wood and

1781
01:20:10,610 --> 01:20:10,170
you'll be cooking entire meals in

1782
01:20:12,380 --> 01:20:10,620
minutes

1783
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Grover rocket stoves are made right here

1784
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in the USA and are built to last a

1785
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1786
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:17,340
using heavy-duty thick gauge steel and

1787
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:18,840
are painted with high temp ain't

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withstand heat go to stock storage comm

1789
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and c3 great Grover rocket stoves

1790
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stainless steel heavy duty or our

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1792
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$135 and get free shipping to the lower

1793
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1794
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three six one six nine eight four or go

1795
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:38,280
to stock storage comm that's eight oh

1796
01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:40,980
one three six one six nine eight four or

1797
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:44,040
stock storage comm the original Grover

1798
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1799
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1800
01:20:53,550 --> 01:20:51,190
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1801
01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:53,560
I either to make popes you're listening

1802
01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:55,560
to the parrot talk

1803
01:21:01,140 --> 01:20:58,510
we have Jerome Clark his book

1804
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:01,150
unexplained third edition is out now

1805
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,420
after you read the first two there are

1806
01:21:07,890 --> 01:21:05,920
changes new material lots poor we were

1807
01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:07,900
talking about the great airship mystery

1808
01:21:14,340 --> 01:21:11,680
that we all relate to 1897 but extended

1809
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:14,350
beyond that and before there's a really

1810
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:17,530
good case from 1880 from Galisteo New

1811
01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:20,050
Mexico it was seen by a town having a

1812
01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:22,390
picnic I found what may be the only

1813
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:25,990
known report from Colorado much by

1814
01:21:30,810 --> 01:21:28,510
accident in a small been Avista a

1815
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:30,820
newspaper talking about a sighting of

1816
01:21:37,410 --> 01:21:34,630
the airship in I think 1896 over Grand

1817
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,420
Junction Colorado I agree with you Jerry

1818
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:40,000
these were real events of course we do

1819
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:42,880
have the Alexander Hamilton hoax we have

1820
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:45,490
the Aurora Texas the very questionable

1821
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:49,360
case there and we do have some some very

1822
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:51,610
slow news days and and some of the

1823
01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:53,650
reporters out there in newspaper land I

1824
01:21:57,630 --> 01:21:54,910
think coming up with some pretty

1825
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,640
interesting tongue-in-cheek accounts but

1826
01:22:01,260 --> 01:21:58,960
you know what's interesting now is now

1827
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:01,270
it's always about political story they

1828
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:03,250
make up something and they go with it

1829
01:22:06,710 --> 01:22:05,410
not so much about strange creatures but

1830
01:22:09,660 --> 01:22:06,720
today it's about politics maybe

1831
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:09,670
politicians are the strange creatures of

1832
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:12,070
the 21st century well there was a lot of

1833
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:16,080
use of the airship imagery to tell

1834
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:19,750
politically themed jokes in the press of

1835
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:22,570
the period and the airships were kind of

1836
01:22:29,550 --> 01:22:26,110
woven into the texture of popular humor

1837
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:29,560
and culture but for a while you know

1838
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:33,360
probably between November 1896 in May

1839
01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:36,910
1897 there apparently was a great wave

1840
01:22:43,230 --> 01:22:41,100
of real sightings of real structured

1841
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:43,240
objects that looked like baked

1842
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:46,000
vegetables and when the occupants were

1843
01:22:52,050 --> 01:22:49,210
observed or even communicated with they

1844
01:22:54,270 --> 01:22:52,060
seemed to be normal human beings normal

1845
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:54,280
American human beings but they weren't

1846
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,210
the whole thing is just almost the far

1847
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:01,360
edge of the strangeness scale all you

1848
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:03,970
can conclude is that yes people believe

1849
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:04,719
these things

1850
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,610
happening some of these in Kok sightings

1851
01:23:11,790 --> 01:23:09,280
and encounters are vivid and deeply

1852
01:23:14,939 --> 01:23:11,800
strange but she was hard to get beyond

1853
01:23:18,689 --> 01:23:14,949
that it's like almost like another

1854
01:23:22,799 --> 01:23:18,699
reality was impinging on the reality of

1855
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:22,809
late 1890s America and they were seeing

1856
01:23:29,339 --> 01:23:26,170
some alternative visions of aviation

1857
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,349
history if something that seems like the

1858
01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:31,360
substance of a science fiction right

1859
01:23:36,270 --> 01:23:33,460
like some sort of parallel timeline or

1860
01:23:38,339 --> 01:23:36,280
something yes exactly that last question

1861
01:23:40,489 --> 01:23:38,349
by the way was asked by Isaiah Bradford

1862
01:23:43,140 --> 01:23:40,499
who's a fairly new addition to our

1863
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:43,150
foreign family I have another question

1864
01:23:47,759 --> 01:23:45,550
here this one is buy a can of cars and

1865
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:47,769
this kind of dovetails nicely with the

1866
01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:50,860
subject of the great airship wave and he

1867
01:23:55,169 --> 01:23:53,289
says all sightings of aliens suggest a

1868
01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:55,179
humanoid appearance don't you think this

1869
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,340
must mean that they have some origin or

1870
01:24:00,930 --> 01:23:59,199
connection with the earth now I'm I take

1871
01:24:02,399 --> 01:24:00,940
exception with all sightings of aliens

1872
01:24:03,419 --> 01:24:02,409
or humanoid in appearance that's not

1873
01:24:06,029 --> 01:24:03,429
that's not true

1874
01:24:07,739 --> 01:24:06,039
a vast majority of them are but he

1875
01:24:10,169 --> 01:24:07,749
raises a good point do you think that

1876
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,179
there's a connection some sort of ultra

1877
01:24:14,879 --> 01:24:12,400
terrestrial crypto terrestrial or or

1878
01:24:16,919 --> 01:24:14,889
some sort of closed system explanation

1879
01:24:18,299 --> 01:24:16,929
for these beans or do you do you think

1880
01:24:19,469 --> 01:24:18,309
that the humanoid appearance is

1881
01:24:28,549 --> 01:24:19,479
something that we're going to find all

1882
01:24:35,879 --> 01:24:33,540
written about both in the EPI more

1883
01:24:39,509 --> 01:24:35,889
scientifically based whole literature

1884
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:39,519
for example by my friend Mike swords at

1885
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:42,329
whose place I was staying last weekend

1886
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:46,110
mike is a retired environmental science

1887
01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:50,320
professor and he's written at length

1888
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using respectable scientific literature

1889
01:25:00,770 --> 01:24:57,789
and speculation about why it is likely

1890
01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:00,780
that throughout the galaxy that

1891
01:25:05,129 --> 01:25:03,190
civilization and alien civilization that

1892
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:05,139
could build the kind of technology that

1893
01:25:11,060 --> 01:25:08,530
would pick its representatives here is

1894
01:25:14,009 --> 01:25:11,070
likely to have a humanoid appearance

1895
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:14,019
there are all kinds of reasons why you

1896
01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:18,249
would have to have a humanoid kind of

1897
01:25:24,899 --> 01:25:21,190
form to create technology to manipulate

1898
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:24,909
tools and so on now that's that's just

1899
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,760
not a good argument against the exit

1900
01:25:33,569 --> 01:25:30,159
rational processes I think it's a kind

1901
01:25:35,370 --> 01:25:33,579
of a naive one I can understand on some

1902
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:35,380
superficial level while people might

1903
01:25:41,549 --> 01:25:38,530
come to it but it isn't you know the

1904
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:41,559
validity of the ETH is going to have to

1905
01:25:48,089 --> 01:25:44,170
be argued debated on other grounds

1906
01:25:50,009 --> 01:25:48,099
yeah I agree somewhat with that with it

1907
01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:50,019
with your opinion on that I do think

1908
01:25:55,109 --> 01:25:52,590
that the humanoid form would be I think

1909
01:25:56,879 --> 01:25:55,119
we're gonna find it eventually out there

1910
01:25:58,620 --> 01:25:56,889
there's no question about it whether

1911
01:26:00,600 --> 01:25:58,630
they're visiting us from elsewhere right

1912
01:26:03,959 --> 01:26:00,610
now I think is still an open question at

1913
01:26:05,819 --> 01:26:03,969
least in my mind I've got a about nine

1914
01:26:07,709 --> 01:26:05,829
or ten questions from Poulter worst

1915
01:26:11,129 --> 01:26:07,719
who's one of our more active posters at

1916
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:11,139
the forum at the pair of cows calm let's

1917
01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:13,150
start out with a couple that deal with

1918
01:26:17,310 --> 01:26:15,400
strange creatures in cryptozoology is

1919
01:26:19,319 --> 01:26:17,320
there any possibility that these reports

1920
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:19,329
might might be just misinterpretations

1921
01:26:23,609 --> 01:26:21,070
or exaggerations of encounters with

1922
01:26:26,580 --> 01:26:23,619
normal wildlife what would be your

1923
01:26:30,839 --> 01:26:26,590
strongest case or cases speaking against

1924
01:26:33,450 --> 01:26:30,849
this sceptical explanation well simply

1925
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,460
what people describe you know if you

1926
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:36,400
have a sighting where viewing conditions

1927
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:39,130
are uncertain and there are other kinds

1928
01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:41,530
of elements that would get in the way of

1929
01:26:46,739 --> 01:26:43,780
good observation yes that's where you

1930
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:46,749
find your mistakes but when you have

1931
01:26:51,660 --> 01:26:49,630
somebody seeing something in very good

1932
01:26:55,109 --> 01:26:51,670
viewing conditions that's some kind of

1933
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:55,119
reasonably close range chances are that

1934
01:27:00,359 --> 01:26:56,710
the explanation you have two

1935
01:27:03,930 --> 01:27:00,369
explanations the person really did see a

1936
01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:03,940
really unusual creature or the person

1937
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:05,710
just made the story up there doesn't

1938
01:27:11,370 --> 01:27:09,400
seem to be much ambiguity there I think

1939
01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:11,380
that if all of our quote unquote

1940
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:14,820
evidence involved ambiguous sightings by

1941
01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:17,260
excitable persons we wouldn't be talking

1942
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:19,710
about this there would be no controversy

1943
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,210
it'd just be clearly that these are

1944
01:27:28,739 --> 01:27:25,440
bunch of mistakes but the mistake

1945
01:27:31,979 --> 01:27:28,749
hypothesis just simply doesn't begin to

1946
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:31,989
deal with a great body of tests

1947
01:27:38,220 --> 01:27:35,290
we're going to add the volume of reports

1948
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:38,230
would almost negate that judging from

1949
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:41,770
the number of bigfoot-type reports there

1950
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:44,770
must have been some cited by scientists

1951
01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:48,010
to pull towards a Tsar their official

1952
01:27:53,010 --> 01:27:49,900
Bigfoot sighting reports by scientists

1953
01:27:54,690 --> 01:27:53,020
has there ever been at least one he says

1954
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:54,700
in official unofficial effort by

1955
01:27:59,970 --> 01:27:58,090
scientists to look into this he gave the

1956
01:28:03,090 --> 01:27:59,980
example of the orange pen dak expedition

1957
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:03,100
to Sumatra and he says he's not needed

1958
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:05,530
he's new to these fields and he's not an

1959
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:07,450
American so he's kind of fishing for

1960
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:12,280
some for some some education here did

1961
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:14,290
you know of any any scientists that have

1962
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:16,450
actually been involved personally in a

1963
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:19,020
Bigfoot sighting report well

1964
01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:22,360
scientific investigation of the

1965
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:24,520
Sasquatch phenomenon by that I'm

1966
01:28:30,450 --> 01:28:28,150
referring specifically to the creatures

1967
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:30,460
creatures reported in the Pacific

1968
01:28:35,790 --> 01:28:32,489
Northwest the United States and Canada

1969
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:35,800
there is a great body of scientific

1970
01:28:41,490 --> 01:28:39,370
evidence investigated and documented by

1971
01:28:44,970 --> 01:28:41,500
physical anthropologists and other

1972
01:28:48,740 --> 01:28:44,980
specialists one of the leading living

1973
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:48,750
may be the leading living scientific

1974
01:29:00,830 --> 01:28:57,489
Authority at Idaho State University who

1975
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:00,840
has written several very books deeply

1976
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:03,550
grounded scientifically there are all

1977
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:06,610
kinds of scientists for example Jane

1978
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:09,850
Goodall the most famous physical

1979
01:29:15,740 --> 01:29:12,400
anthropologists in the world who are

1980
01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:15,750
sympathetically interested in

1981
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:18,760
participated in one way or another in

1982
01:29:25,380 --> 01:29:22,600
field expeditions or laboratory analyses

1983
01:29:26,940 --> 01:29:25,390
of hair and footprints yeah the

1984
01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:26,950
University of Washington I think has

1985
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:29,950
mounted several expeditions and has

1986
01:29:35,220 --> 01:29:32,560
worked with worked with Renee into Hedra

1987
01:29:37,979 --> 01:29:35,230
and others now you're speaking of what's

1988
01:29:41,790 --> 01:29:37,989
a gentleman's name in Idaho's it what

1989
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:41,800
did Jeff Melman Jeff Meldrum Meldrum

1990
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:44,440
right he's supposedly doing a DNA study

1991
01:29:49,549 --> 01:29:45,570
isn't he is in the end

1992
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:49,559
and he and other scientists yes Meldrum

1993
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:52,710
is the most visible living scientist but

1994
01:29:58,669 --> 01:29:55,170
there are others who are also involved

1995
01:30:03,490 --> 01:29:58,679
quietly or in secondary roles but there

1996
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:03,500
is a body of rather difficult to dismiss

1997
01:30:09,649 --> 01:30:06,960
physical evidence for the existence of

1998
01:30:11,899 --> 01:30:09,659
the Sasquatch in fact I am certain that

1999
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:11,909
if there is a breakthrough in any of

2000
01:30:16,850 --> 01:30:15,360
these mystery controversial claims that

2001
01:30:19,839 --> 01:30:16,860
we're dealing with the whole range of

2002
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,849
things the breakthrough is going to come

2003
01:30:24,259 --> 01:30:21,840
I'll tell you what we'll get into

2004
01:30:26,270 --> 01:30:24,269
Sasquatch about the breakthrough and

2005
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:26,280
other questions from the listeners we

2006
01:30:32,010 --> 01:30:28,050
have Jerome Clarke with Jean and Chris

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hello this is for us Mary Ellen Kylie

2107
01:35:00,620 --> 01:34:57,239
and you're listening to the podcast the

2108
01:35:16,489 --> 01:35:00,630
gold standard of paranormal radio

2109
01:35:22,489 --> 01:35:18,950
with Jerome Clark with Sheen and Chris

2110
01:35:25,729 --> 01:35:22,499
back on the para cast the book from

2111
01:35:28,009 --> 01:35:25,739
Jerome Clark is unexplained and UFOs are

2112
01:35:29,870 --> 01:35:28,019
just a small part of the picture now

2113
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,880
Chris was discussing some of the

2114
01:35:33,469 --> 01:35:31,440
questions from our audience you can post

2115
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:33,479
your own questions by the way go to

2116
01:35:39,799 --> 01:35:37,110
forum dot the power cast comm and we

2117
01:35:41,629 --> 01:35:39,809
always have a place called the question

2118
01:35:43,370 --> 01:35:41,639
Bank and when we have a guest scheduled

2119
01:35:45,979 --> 01:35:43,380
far enough in advance to make a

2120
01:35:47,180 --> 01:35:45,989
difference we have you post them let's

2121
01:35:50,689 --> 01:35:47,190
continue with the questions in the

2122
01:35:52,219 --> 01:35:50,699
follow up Chris yeah there's a good

2123
01:35:54,049 --> 01:35:52,229
quite a list of questions here from Paul

2124
01:35:56,930 --> 01:35:54,059
to worst and he's he's really thought

2125
01:35:59,359 --> 01:35:56,940
these out I think fairly well um have

2126
01:36:01,339 --> 01:35:59,369
you ever thought drom that about the

2127
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:01,349
possibility that at least some UFO or

2128
01:36:04,969 --> 01:36:02,880
creature sightings may be caused by

2129
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:04,979
what's called spirits or ghosts in

2130
01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:07,679
mythology ie dis incarnate consciousness

2131
01:36:13,279 --> 01:36:11,940
or noncorporeal entities some that make

2132
01:36:15,259 --> 01:36:13,289
any sense to you do you think that

2133
01:36:21,140 --> 01:36:15,269
there's any possible connection in some

2134
01:36:28,489 --> 01:36:21,150
cases nothing I think that sometimes

2135
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:28,499
when observers are living something that

2136
01:36:34,609 --> 01:36:31,199
we would call a UFO and it looked to us

2137
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:34,619
like a piloted machine but they don't

2138
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:37,110
really have that kind of vocabulary or

2139
01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:39,780
that sense of technology that sometimes

2140
01:36:45,319 --> 01:36:42,420
gets filtered through you know

2141
01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:45,329
supernatural belief traditions and so

2142
01:36:48,799 --> 01:36:47,190
they might call these things

2143
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:48,809
ghosts but I don't think that really

2144
01:36:57,609 --> 01:36:54,090
describes the UFO phenomenon even yeah

2145
01:37:01,399 --> 01:36:57,619
so apples and oranges basically saying

2146
01:37:03,140 --> 01:37:01,409
well he asked a question here again

2147
01:37:05,239 --> 01:37:03,150
going back to the skinwalker ranch case

2148
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:05,249
he says that some of the anomalies were

2149
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:07,260
reminiscent of poltergeist or haunting

2150
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:09,449
phenomenon did you ever investigate a

2151
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:11,489
case where poultry like events allegedly

2152
01:37:15,290 --> 01:37:13,170
happened and did you experience or see

2153
01:37:16,910 --> 01:37:15,300
something like that yourself perhaps

2154
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:16,920
while you were investigating some other

2155
01:37:24,620 --> 01:37:18,630
case he gives the example of a UFO a

2156
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:24,630
cryptid case no I think that the

2157
01:37:29,089 --> 01:37:26,820
poltergeist is really a discrete

2158
01:37:29,879 --> 01:37:29,099
phenomenon that isn't related to much

2159
01:37:33,770 --> 01:37:29,889
else that it

2160
01:37:36,569 --> 01:37:33,780
as its own kind of lawfulness and

2161
01:37:40,139 --> 01:37:36,579
everyone smile in some of the more

2162
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:40,149
unusual poltergeist cases people report

2163
01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:42,729
seeing an apparition or something but I

2164
01:37:48,929 --> 01:37:45,369
think generally poltergeists are

2165
01:37:51,569 --> 01:37:48,939
probably not even hauntings in the sense

2166
01:37:54,839 --> 01:37:51,579
of like a ghost reported to be in a

2167
01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:54,849
house and living in a house encountered

2168
01:37:58,259 --> 01:37:55,630
in a house

2169
01:38:00,060 --> 01:37:58,269
I think poltergeist is is something

2170
01:38:02,909 --> 01:38:00,070
really distinctive I'm hardly in the

2171
01:38:05,250 --> 01:38:02,919
forty on it but I was really struck well

2172
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:05,260
I have studied anomalies over history

2173
01:38:11,129 --> 01:38:08,590
that the poltergeist is one that stays

2174
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:11,139
pretty much true to form for many

2175
01:38:19,139 --> 01:38:14,649
centuries I think that the poltergeist

2176
01:38:22,739 --> 01:38:19,149
has to be studied yeah understood but

2177
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:22,749
just as an aside here Tom Adams who was

2178
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:24,880
a longtime investigator based out of

2179
01:38:28,949 --> 01:38:27,280
Paris Texas who went to the San Luis

2180
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:28,959
Valley where I investigated for many

2181
01:38:33,449 --> 01:38:31,449
years with quite a number of times in

2182
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:33,459
the early 70s and at one point right

2183
01:38:38,129 --> 01:38:36,639
during a pretty-pretty intention of a

2184
01:38:39,839 --> 01:38:38,139
sighting wave they were staying in

2185
01:38:42,359 --> 01:38:39,849
Alamosa a small town in the center of

2186
01:38:44,669 --> 01:38:42,369
the valley in a trailer that belonged to

2187
01:38:48,179 --> 01:38:44,679
one of the witnesses of these UFO events

2188
01:38:50,429 --> 01:38:48,189
and they reported some very impressive

2189
01:38:52,729 --> 01:38:50,439
poltergeist activity in the trailer one

2190
01:38:54,659 --> 01:38:52,739
night after they had gotten back from

2191
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:54,669
investigating some recent sighting

2192
01:38:57,839 --> 01:38:56,530
events do you think this is my own

2193
01:39:00,330 --> 01:38:57,849
question here do you think that there's

2194
01:39:04,250 --> 01:39:00,340
some sort of energetic property perhaps

2195
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:04,260
in a location that would allow for

2196
01:39:08,969 --> 01:39:07,090
cross-discipline type of phenomenon to

2197
01:39:10,049 --> 01:39:08,979
occur like if we have UFO sightings do

2198
01:39:12,659 --> 01:39:10,059
you think it's more likely that we're

2199
01:39:15,029 --> 01:39:12,669
gonna see Bigfoot or or have a haunted

2200
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:15,039
haunted site go active or have

2201
01:39:17,689 --> 01:39:16,449
poltergeist type events do you think

2202
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:17,699
there's any sort of correlation there

2203
01:39:25,859 --> 01:39:22,800
you know I don't know and I have a

2204
01:39:30,529 --> 01:39:25,869
strong belief that I'm not going to tell

2205
01:39:36,209 --> 01:39:33,319
there are a lot of things out there and

2206
01:39:40,649 --> 01:39:36,219
it really depends on what questions you

2207
01:39:43,060 --> 01:39:40,659
ask anybody who goes in to investigate

2208
01:39:45,970 --> 01:39:43,070
some strange experience

2209
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:45,980
no matter how well-intentioned comes in

2210
01:39:49,210 --> 01:39:46,940
there with certain kinds of

2211
01:39:52,150 --> 01:39:49,220
predetermined ideas including ideas

2212
01:39:53,890 --> 01:39:52,160
about what question should I ask what's

2213
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:53,900
important what am I looking for I mean

2214
01:39:58,690 --> 01:39:56,990
you could possibly not do that so just

2215
01:40:00,760 --> 01:39:58,700
by the nature of the questions you ask

2216
01:40:05,140 --> 01:40:00,770
you get certain answers and you don't

2217
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:05,150
get others and also you don't know even

2218
01:40:09,370 --> 01:40:07,010
if you ask every conceivable question

2219
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:09,380
get every conceivable answer if they

2220
01:40:14,260 --> 01:40:11,840
think they're connected I'm reminded of

2221
01:40:16,150 --> 01:40:14,270
a line in a Bob Dylan socks take what

2222
01:40:19,150 --> 01:40:16,160
you have gathered some coincidence

2223
01:40:21,580 --> 01:40:19,160
you know never downplay the the role of

2224
01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:21,590
coincidence oh absolutely I think it's

2225
01:40:26,710 --> 01:40:23,950
absolutely imperative to factor in

2226
01:40:29,290 --> 01:40:26,720
synchronicities and coincidences into

2227
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:29,300
any investigative process that's one of

2228
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:31,570
my major rules of thumb that I try to

2229
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:34,730
impart to up-and-coming investigators

2230
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:37,310
well what about balls of light pole

2231
01:40:41,410 --> 01:40:38,930
tours asked a very good question here

2232
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,420
they make up a big part of UFO sightings

2233
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:43,040
and skeptics say they might be natural

2234
01:40:47,020 --> 01:40:44,690
phenomenon like earthquake lights or

2235
01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:47,030
ball lightning michael persinger for

2236
01:40:49,930 --> 01:40:48,070
instance seems to think that

2237
01:40:52,030 --> 01:40:49,940
electromagnetic fields accompanying

2238
01:40:53,860 --> 01:40:52,040
these phenomenon might even be the cause

2239
01:40:56,590 --> 01:40:53,870
of induced delusions like seeing little

2240
01:40:59,980 --> 01:40:56,600
greys or structured craft but again what

2241
01:41:04,360 --> 01:40:59,990
would your strongest cases be against

2242
01:41:06,130 --> 01:41:04,370
that as an explanation well that's a

2243
01:41:08,890 --> 01:41:06,140
complicated question this gets back to

2244
01:41:12,610 --> 01:41:08,900
my idea of experience anomalies

2245
01:41:15,070 --> 01:41:12,620
experience anomaly well has a model it

2246
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:15,080
may be a model that of something that

2247
01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:19,010
really exists in nature and technology

2248
01:41:26,020 --> 01:41:22,030
or it may be something purely imaginary

2249
01:41:28,930 --> 01:41:26,030
with balls of light we start with ball

2250
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:28,940
lightning and ball lightning is Abril

2251
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:31,760
that's not well understood phenomenon of

2252
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:34,070
nature which most meteorologists and

2253
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:37,850
business accept as real as something it

2254
01:41:42,670 --> 01:41:40,850
does exist in nature but you start with

2255
01:41:45,340 --> 01:41:42,680
that and then you move into the

2256
01:41:48,130 --> 01:41:45,350
experience anomaly correlate in other

2257
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:48,140
words extraordinary phenomena that take

2258
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:51,920
on the coloration of something that

2259
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:54,170
exists either in nature or in the

2260
01:42:01,190 --> 01:41:55,810
cultural imagination

2261
01:42:05,190 --> 01:42:01,200
and so ghost lights are sort of the

2262
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:05,200
extraordinary correlate to the natural

2263
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:07,330
phenomenon of ball lightning and one

2264
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:09,930
thing that ghost lights have in common

2265
01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:15,430
often is in intelligence and at least an

2266
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:20,820
intentionality that really strikes

2267
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:24,340
witnesses and Dwarfs ball lightning

2268
01:42:32,010 --> 01:42:27,130
lasts a few seconds and and you often

2269
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:32,020
departs with a dramatic explosion ghost

2270
01:42:38,010 --> 01:42:35,650
lights mystery lights don't do that they

2271
01:42:40,860 --> 01:42:38,020
can last for some period of time they

2272
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:40,870
can even interact with witnesses and

2273
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:43,690
witnesses can see them up close without

2274
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:46,570
being feeling the sense of danger the

2275
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:48,370
people are too closed on lightning

2276
01:42:54,690 --> 01:42:53,170
filled with good reason and ghost lights

2277
01:42:58,410 --> 01:42:54,700
show up in all kinds of different

2278
01:43:00,450 --> 01:42:58,420
contexts and in some really predictable

2279
01:43:02,910 --> 01:43:00,460
- like the Marfa lights so for instance

2280
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:02,920
or fairly predictable sometimes they

2281
01:43:07,710 --> 01:43:05,770
seem bound to some particular place

2282
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:07,720
although then you get into all kinds of

2283
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:10,510
controversies you know unanswered

2284
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:12,730
questions about you know atmospheric

2285
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:15,250
phenomena are these things you know

2286
01:43:21,150 --> 01:43:18,130
reflections of light with conventional

2287
01:43:22,410 --> 01:43:21,160
sources and that discussion goes on

2288
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:22,420
endlessly so if you're talking about

2289
01:43:26,430 --> 01:43:24,060
something like the Brown Mountain lights

2290
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:26,440
Marfa lights or something like that it's

2291
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:29,410
really hard to get a fix on this but

2292
01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:32,560
ghost lights or the pier you know and at

2293
01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:35,590
random or in some context where they're

2294
01:43:40,290 --> 01:43:37,990
seen for a period of time had been no

2295
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:40,300
longer scenes you're dealing with things

2296
01:43:45,330 --> 01:43:42,490
that are very hard to explain and that

2297
01:43:47,460 --> 01:43:45,340
they're fascinated students of folklore

2298
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:47,470
for a long time if you go out to

2299
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:50,380
folklore journals you find a lot of very

2300
01:43:55,380 --> 01:43:51,970
interesting writing a lot of people's

2301
01:43:57,690 --> 01:43:55,390
experiences of ghost light that's true

2302
01:44:00,810 --> 01:43:57,700
they've been reported you know all

2303
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:00,820
throughout history and some in fairly

2304
01:44:04,890 --> 01:44:03,130
celebrated waves of them were where

2305
01:44:08,490 --> 01:44:04,900
these lights would be seen pretty fairly

2306
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:08,500
regularly um in my book I explained

2307
01:44:12,660 --> 01:44:09,280
there's a fairly

2308
01:44:14,129 --> 01:44:12,670
comprehensive chapter yeah there is yeah

2309
01:44:16,799 --> 01:44:14,139
and there's some real good cases in

2310
01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:16,809
there too I must add well what about

2311
01:44:19,950 --> 01:44:18,340
Persinger's idea that the

2312
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:19,960
electromagnetic fields may caused

2313
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:23,050
induced delusions that's that's one

2314
01:44:27,569 --> 01:44:25,690
aspect of the question I find fairly

2315
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:27,579
interesting do you think that the human

2316
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:32,159
mind can confabulate accidentally

2317
01:44:38,569 --> 01:44:36,010
details of experiences because of the

2318
01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:38,579
effect of some sort of electromagnetic

2319
01:44:45,060 --> 01:44:42,340
radiation I I'm inclined to doubt that

2320
01:44:48,350 --> 01:44:45,070
that seems to be the kind of

2321
01:44:52,109 --> 01:44:48,360
reductionism that some people get into

2322
01:44:55,379 --> 01:44:52,119
and I just skeptical of that person's

2323
01:44:59,640 --> 01:44:55,389
ideas don't seem to have got much

2324
01:45:02,520 --> 01:44:59,650
traction within mainstream psychology or

2325
01:45:05,879 --> 01:45:02,530
to physics or whatever I just don't find

2326
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:05,889
that particularly persuasive and I talk

2327
01:45:10,549 --> 01:45:08,050
to scientists who have also studied

2328
01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:10,559
anomalies and who just complete check

2329
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Persinger explained I just think that

2330
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negative connotations Christian

2423
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:25,690
mythology has given it but sometimes I

2424
01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:28,780
have the impression every ghost hunter

2425
01:49:33,330 --> 01:49:30,550
and hobby paranormalist wants to chalk

2426
01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:33,340
UFOs hauntings etc up to demonic

2427
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:36,430
entities why are these all purpose bad

2428
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:38,590
guys still so popular today and he adds

2429
01:49:45,930 --> 01:49:41,770
personally I like tricksters better I do

2430
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:45,940
too isn't that all kind of in the eye of

2431
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,130
the beholder if it if it's got pointed

2432
01:49:50,610 --> 01:49:50,080
ears and a forked tail and a bad

2433
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:50,620
attitude

2434
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,840
I don't think quite that convenient but

2435
01:50:01,810 --> 01:49:57,679
yeah I think tricksters

2436
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:01,820
you know you know funny things happen

2437
01:50:05,860 --> 01:50:03,199
and sometimes you had the feeling that

2438
01:50:08,620 --> 01:50:05,870
you're on the receiving end of some kind

2439
01:50:10,270 --> 01:50:08,630
of joke generally a harmless one

2440
01:50:11,530 --> 01:50:10,280
actually you know people are these

2441
01:50:14,820 --> 01:50:11,540
experienced often frightening to people

2442
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:14,830
understandably so but they are

2443
01:50:18,580 --> 01:50:17,449
overwhelmingly harmless except maybe to

2444
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:18,590
your peace of mind

2445
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,880
no yeah that makes sense to me too I the

2446
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:25,040
whole demonic thing Nick Redferns book

2447
01:50:32,260 --> 01:50:28,489
final events was quite interesting are

2448
01:50:35,290 --> 01:50:32,270
you familiar with that book I think I've

2449
01:50:36,910 --> 01:50:35,300
read some of Nick Nick Redford's books

2450
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:36,920
but I haven't read now yeah it's kind of

2451
01:50:42,970 --> 01:50:38,330
hard to keep up with Nick he's pretty

2452
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:42,980
prolific he had a source of rabies Shay

2453
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:45,530
I think in Oklahoma was approached by

2454
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:48,650
some secret government group I guess

2455
01:50:53,410 --> 01:50:51,050
nicknamed the Collins elite that have

2456
01:50:55,959 --> 01:50:53,420
been following you follow g sin ste Jack

2457
01:50:57,820 --> 01:50:55,969
parson days basically and they they

2458
01:50:59,800 --> 01:50:57,830
they're convinced that these are demonic

2459
01:51:02,649 --> 01:50:59,810
entities that are harvesting Souls and

2460
01:51:05,050 --> 01:51:02,659
and that there's this fundamentalist

2461
01:51:06,810 --> 01:51:05,060
sort of view it within this group within

2462
01:51:08,729 --> 01:51:06,820
the government that's I guess

2463
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:08,739
cross-agency

2464
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:13,040
interesting concept but I think kind of

2465
01:51:17,649 --> 01:51:15,800
got the blinders on a little bit there's

2466
01:51:19,450 --> 01:51:17,659
a lot of phenomenal events out there

2467
01:51:20,979 --> 01:51:19,460
that are neither positive or negative

2468
01:51:23,169 --> 01:51:20,989
there's a there's even some that are

2469
01:51:25,180 --> 01:51:23,179
positive so it'd be harder to throw

2470
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:25,190
everything into that demonic basket I

2471
01:51:43,810 --> 01:51:39,679
would think I've been accused of that

2472
01:51:50,740 --> 01:51:43,820
actually but though you are a basket

2473
01:51:53,950 --> 01:51:50,750
thrower no experience I explain to

2474
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:53,960
people but I don't mean this as an

2475
01:51:58,750 --> 01:51:56,090
explanation this is simply a description

2476
01:52:00,700 --> 01:51:58,760
of how certain things seem to work it

2477
01:52:05,590 --> 01:52:00,710
doesn't tell you what they are it just

2478
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:05,600
tells you how they work and and what

2479
01:52:11,110 --> 01:52:08,210
their nature is what their limitations

2480
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:11,120
are from which we can infer

2481
01:52:15,940 --> 01:52:14,210
long observation of people's experiences

2482
01:52:18,670 --> 01:52:15,950
of these things but we don't have

2483
01:52:20,730 --> 01:52:18,680
explanations you know we can describe

2484
01:52:27,130 --> 01:52:20,740
these things and put them in categories

2485
01:52:30,370 --> 01:52:27,140
but we're not explaining yeah I agree

2486
01:52:34,030 --> 01:52:30,380
it's really hard to come to any firm

2487
01:52:37,420 --> 01:52:34,040
hard conclusions based on the

2488
01:52:40,780 --> 01:52:37,430
bewildering quality and quantity of data

2489
01:52:42,730 --> 01:52:40,790
that we have I believe that some of

2490
01:52:45,580 --> 01:52:42,740
these things are potentially explainable

2491
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:45,590
I don't mean within within you know

2492
01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:47,690
explain them explain the way I don't

2493
01:52:50,980 --> 01:52:48,260
mean like that

2494
01:52:53,050 --> 01:52:50,990
I mean they're they're explainable

2495
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:53,060
within current knowledge or slightly

2496
01:52:58,180 --> 01:52:56,210
expanded chronology but the truly

2497
01:53:00,820 --> 01:52:58,190
mysterious things the experience

2498
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:00,830
anomalies I think are not only beyond

2499
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:03,290
current knowledge they're almost beyond

2500
01:53:12,420 --> 01:53:10,870
yet languaging really is an issue

2501
01:53:14,740 --> 01:53:12,430
especially when you're out in the field

2502
01:53:16,330 --> 01:53:14,750
attempting to interview somebody that's

2503
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:16,340
had a life-changing event occur to them

2504
01:53:19,780 --> 01:53:18,290
sometimes it's very difficult for them

2505
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:19,790
to even come up with the proper language

2506
01:53:26,050 --> 01:53:23,570
and to really accurately express the

2507
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:26,060
event or their you know the effect of

2508
01:53:29,710 --> 01:53:27,440
the event on them and I think that's a

2509
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:29,720
very good point languaging is is is one

2510
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:30,710
of those things you don't hear about

2511
01:53:36,130 --> 01:53:34,610
much in investigator manuals the these

2512
01:53:39,970 --> 01:53:36,140
events do tend to leave people

2513
01:53:42,580 --> 01:53:39,980
speechless almost let's change let's

2514
01:53:44,440 --> 01:53:42,590
change pace a little bit here GOG smacky

2515
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:44,450
one of our more active members that

2516
01:53:49,900 --> 01:53:47,210
formed out the para cast comm posted an

2517
01:53:52,780 --> 01:53:49,910
interesting question about everybody's

2518
01:53:54,460 --> 01:53:52,790
favorite departed nemesis do you think

2519
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:54,470
people like Phil class would have been

2520
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,570
government military sponsored official

2521
01:54:01,630 --> 01:53:58,880
disinformation agents I asked because

2522
01:54:04,030 --> 01:54:01,640
for supposedly being an intelligent man

2523
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:04,040
some of classes explanations for UFO

2524
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:06,080
sightings bordered on the ludicrous I

2525
01:54:09,870 --> 01:54:08,330
can only surmise that often class was

2526
01:54:13,570 --> 01:54:09,880
expected to use any method it is

2527
01:54:16,060 --> 01:54:13,580
disposal to debunk certain cases he did

2528
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:16,070
not always use good science and he would

2529
01:54:19,570 --> 01:54:17,810
have been aware that other scientists

2530
01:54:21,550 --> 01:54:19,580
would look down on some of his words as

2531
01:54:23,770 --> 01:54:21,560
not being worthy of the qualifications

2532
01:54:24,610 --> 01:54:23,780
he held what are your feelings about the

2533
01:54:29,530 --> 01:54:24,620
the

2534
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:29,540
rant James Randi and Penn & Teller

2535
01:54:34,660 --> 01:54:31,090
there's a few of them out there that

2536
01:54:37,420 --> 01:54:34,670
this McGahee character here down in

2537
01:54:41,620 --> 01:54:37,430
Tucson some of these people they come

2538
01:54:42,940 --> 01:54:41,630
off so damn it dismissive that it's

2539
01:54:44,590 --> 01:54:42,950
pretty obvious that they haven't even

2540
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:44,600
looked into a particular case they're

2541
01:54:47,670 --> 01:54:46,370
just spouting some sort of company line

2542
01:54:51,250 --> 01:54:47,680
do you think there's some sort of

2543
01:54:54,630 --> 01:54:51,260
disinformation effort being sponsored no

2544
01:54:57,310 --> 01:54:54,640
no I think these individuals are

2545
01:55:00,430 --> 01:54:57,320
sincerely convinced of what they saying

2546
01:55:02,770 --> 01:55:00,440
and and yes all those criticisms of

2547
01:55:05,170 --> 01:55:02,780
their methods and logic and so on

2548
01:55:09,670 --> 01:55:05,180
there's a lot to that there there's a

2549
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:09,680
lot of faulty logic and closed

2550
01:55:13,780 --> 01:55:12,080
mindedness and all these things are much

2551
01:55:25,390 --> 01:55:13,790
in evidence but one thing is not in

2552
01:55:27,460 --> 01:55:25,400
evidence is that they're in I think that

2553
01:55:29,950 --> 01:55:27,470
when I see some of these characters I

2554
01:55:32,650 --> 01:55:29,960
think it'd be famous definition of

2555
01:55:34,930 --> 01:55:32,660
semantics who is someone who once he's

2556
01:55:40,660 --> 01:55:34,940
lost sight of his goal redoubles his

2557
01:55:42,670 --> 01:55:40,670
efforts mmm I think these are just you

2558
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:42,680
know on the other side on the pro side

2559
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:44,690
there are really fanatical people I

2560
01:55:53,620 --> 01:55:51,770
won't name them for you we are equal

2561
01:55:56,530 --> 01:55:53,630
opportunity offenders Chris why don't

2562
01:55:58,690 --> 01:55:56,540
you name a few well there's a lot of

2563
01:56:03,310 --> 01:55:58,700
folks in the exo politics movement that

2564
01:56:06,430 --> 01:56:03,320
I think or a little bit a little bit

2565
01:56:07,870 --> 01:56:06,440
overboard and out there me like somebody

2566
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:07,880
we had on the show a couple of weeks ago

2567
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:09,890
well I think ed would actually be one of

2568
01:56:14,830 --> 01:56:11,570
the more conservative types I'm talking

2569
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:14,840
about you know people like Alfred Weber

2570
01:56:20,890 --> 01:56:18,080
and Michael salla and David Wilcock and

2571
01:56:22,330 --> 01:56:20,900
there's a number of people most of them

2572
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:22,340
have been featured at some point or

2573
01:56:30,670 --> 01:56:25,570
other in project Camelot's archives

2574
01:56:32,050 --> 01:56:30,680
there's a lot of marae that people have

2575
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:32,060
to get their hip waders on to wade

2576
01:56:38,140 --> 01:56:34,610
through out there in this whole marasmus

2577
01:56:39,580 --> 01:56:38,150
of a subject are you finding

2578
01:56:42,459 --> 01:56:39,590
yourself Jerry becoming a little

2579
01:56:44,020 --> 01:56:42,469
disillusioned by by non-critical

2580
01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:44,030
thinking out there in the masses and the

2581
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:46,880
way the TV programs are really dumb down

2582
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,250
subject matter and and people are buying

2583
01:56:53,979 --> 01:56:51,920
into it and it's becoming their their

2584
01:56:55,540 --> 01:56:53,989
belief system or is really adversely

2585
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:55,550
coloring their belief system and they're

2586
01:57:02,350 --> 01:56:58,130
very watered down sort of I don't know

2587
01:57:04,540 --> 01:57:02,360
just just ill-informed away where do you

2588
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:04,550
come down on that do you think was doing

2589
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:07,520
a good job well no I think media are

2590
01:57:13,209 --> 01:57:09,890
doing a terrible job but but when you

2591
01:57:14,620 --> 01:57:13,219
ask if I've been disillusioned the the

2592
01:57:16,630 --> 01:57:14,630
premise of your question is wrong

2593
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:16,640
because to be disillusioned I would have

2594
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:21,050
to be illusion business boy I'll tell

2595
01:57:26,459 --> 01:57:23,170
you what we've got your own Clark and

2596
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:26,469
he's neither illusioned or disillusioned

2597
01:57:30,770 --> 01:57:29,030
with gene and Chris your end of the

2598
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:30,780
parry cast

2599
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:41,370
hey neighbors you've seen all those

2600
01:57:47,610 --> 01:57:45,250
crazy wacky products on TV the perfect

2601
01:57:51,540 --> 01:57:47,620
tortilla easy covers hot booties

2602
01:57:53,790 --> 01:57:51,550
furniture fix petty spin and more where

2603
01:57:56,730 --> 01:57:53,800
do you find all that stuff you go to as

2604
01:57:59,490 --> 01:57:56,740
seen on tv comm because this is the

2605
01:58:01,860 --> 01:57:59,500
one-stop source for all of these TV

2606
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:01,870
goods advertised find all your favorites

2607
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:05,290
as seen on TV check them out as seen on

2608
01:58:10,020 --> 01:58:08,340
tv dot-com and by the way save 10%

2609
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:10,030
here's what you do

2610
01:58:20,010 --> 01:58:15,610
use the code scene 1 scen number 1 scene

2611
01:58:23,340 --> 01:58:20,020
1 go to as-seen-on-tv comm to order save

2612
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2613
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2614
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2615
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2616
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2617
01:58:42,090 --> 01:58:39,760
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2618
01:58:43,590 --> 01:58:42,100
Americans work between 45 to 50 years

2619
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hoping to build up enough wealth to

2620
01:58:48,150 --> 01:58:45,250
retire and live out their golden years

2621
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:48,160
unfortunately with taxation the rising

2622
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:50,410
cost of food energy housing and medical

2623
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:52,810
many retirees are forced to live below

2624
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:54,850
the poverty line is this a fly free

2625
01:58:58,560 --> 01:58:56,890
enterprise or is our monetary unit we

2626
01:59:00,930 --> 01:58:58,570
call the Federal Reserve Note forcing us

2627
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:00,940
into perpetual debt insuring inflation

2628
01:59:04,740 --> 01:59:03,130
in higher taxes these questions and more

2629
01:59:06,630 --> 01:59:04,750
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2630
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,640
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2631
01:59:10,530 --> 01:59:09,040
Island congressman Ron Paul states it's

2632
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:10,540
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2633
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2634
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2635
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2640
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2641
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2642
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2644
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2645
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2646
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2647
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2648
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2649
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2650
02:00:20,300 --> 02:00:18,570
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2651
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2652
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2653
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2654
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2655
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2656
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2657
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2659
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2660
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2661
02:00:47,510 --> 02:00:45,180
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2662
02:00:49,970 --> 02:00:47,520
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2663
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2664
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2665
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2666
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2667
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2668
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2669
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2670
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2671
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2672
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2673
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2674
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2675
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2676
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2677
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2678
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2679
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2680
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2685
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2686
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from you if you have a comment or

2687
02:01:48,379 --> 02:01:46,950
question about the para cast sent it to

2688
02:01:54,469 --> 02:01:48,389
news at the

2689
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:54,479
caste calm and don't forget to visit our

2690
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famous para caste community forums at

2691
02:02:04,939 --> 02:02:02,280
forum dot the para cast calm are we

2692
02:02:05,929 --> 02:02:04,949
disillusioned or are we all illusions

2693
02:02:07,850 --> 02:02:05,939
period

2694
02:02:13,759 --> 02:02:07,860
I think jaded and cynical might be more

2695
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:13,769
accurate but I'm jaded and cynical well

2696
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:15,570
I've been interested in that and I'm

2697
02:02:23,899 --> 02:02:18,570
sure Dean and I have parallel history in

2698
02:02:26,270 --> 02:02:23,909
this way back late fifties and even when

2699
02:02:29,959 --> 02:02:26,280
I was a kid and starting to beat you up

2700
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:29,969
for books you know and and beginning to

2701
02:02:34,850 --> 02:02:32,610
figure out there was a larger subculture

2702
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:34,860
international so costing these things

2703
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:38,159
and even when I was young I understood

2704
02:02:43,429 --> 02:02:40,800
that there was a lot of real nonsense

2705
02:02:45,409 --> 02:02:43,439
and there were real gung-ho people out

2706
02:02:47,899 --> 02:02:45,419
there like for example people who played

2707
02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:47,909
George Adamski stories about being with

2708
02:02:53,899 --> 02:02:50,729
the dunes even when I was 11 or 12 years

2709
02:02:55,850 --> 02:02:53,909
old I didn't believe that yeah and so as

2710
02:02:57,649 --> 02:02:55,860
long as I have been in this field I've

2711
02:02:59,929 --> 02:02:57,659
seen pretty much the same thing you know

2712
02:03:01,969 --> 02:02:59,939
a minority of intelligent critical

2713
02:03:04,399 --> 02:03:01,979
minded people trying to do the best to

2714
02:03:07,669 --> 02:03:04,409
understand what's going on and a lot of

2715
02:03:09,949 --> 02:03:07,679
silly gullible people pursuing their own

2716
02:03:12,859 --> 02:03:09,959
wishful thinking and agendas and so on

2717
02:03:15,259 --> 02:03:12,869
so I've never been illusions about this

2718
02:03:18,739 --> 02:03:15,269
I've always seen this and it just plays

2719
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:18,749
out thoroughly over and over and that's

2720
02:03:23,330 --> 02:03:21,209
just waited like a bad broken record one

2721
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:23,340
of my favorites was Daniel Frye handing

2722
02:03:28,129 --> 02:03:26,249
out chunks of ivory soap with the dove

2723
02:03:29,779 --> 02:03:28,139
feathers or something stuck in them

2724
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:29,789
claiming they were parts of a spaceship

2725
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:32,249
and people taking them and inputting

2726
02:03:36,979 --> 02:03:34,169
them in places of honor and their their

2727
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:36,989
houses and stuff I remember a guy in

2728
02:03:43,399 --> 02:03:41,130
Chino remember - Nelson oh yes is

2729
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:43,409
there a hillbilly who was traveled to

2730
02:03:48,669 --> 02:03:45,209
Mars and Venus and saw racial

2731
02:03:53,029 --> 02:03:48,679
segregation in there and he was selling

2732
02:03:55,399 --> 02:03:53,039
pieces of hair from a Venusian dog to

2733
02:03:58,219 --> 02:03:55,409
people who apparently had money but no

2734
02:04:01,820 --> 02:03:58,229
green so basically his claim went to the

2735
02:04:04,070 --> 02:04:01,830
dogs yeah another guy there was

2736
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:04,080
another guy who claimed to have gotten a

2737
02:04:10,160 --> 02:04:06,930
pancake from et remember that guy Joe

2738
02:04:12,380 --> 02:04:10,170
Simonson and yeah the river was about

2739
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:12,390
yeah although I don't think that

2740
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:14,400
Simonson whatever I don't know whether

2741
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:16,410
that was story was true or not I mean

2742
02:04:19,790 --> 02:04:18,570
it's an odd and interesting story that

2743
02:04:21,260 --> 02:04:19,800
doesn't really couldn't go anywhere

2744
02:04:24,590 --> 02:04:21,270
nobody can prove anything one way or

2745
02:04:26,660 --> 02:04:24,600
another but he wasn't like buck Nelson

2746
02:04:29,450 --> 02:04:26,670
or a damn ski or some of these guys who

2747
02:04:32,300 --> 02:04:29,460
were clearly you know involved in some

2748
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,310
kind of metaphysical swindle billy meier

2749
02:04:37,610 --> 02:04:34,800
yeah hear that Michael Moore

2750
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:37,620
affectionally Meyer contact these who

2751
02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:41,850
had a commercial operation right where'd

2752
02:04:46,810 --> 02:04:43,890
he come down in the ed Walters case well

2753
02:04:49,820 --> 02:04:46,820
you know I tend to be skeptical I don't

2754
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:49,830
try to think about Gulf Breeze assemble

2755
02:04:54,050 --> 02:04:52,050
them as possible it wasn't working out

2756
02:04:56,570 --> 02:04:54,060
the way I understand you have both

2757
02:04:58,100 --> 02:04:56,580
worked out you know where they stand

2758
02:05:01,250 --> 02:04:58,110
around so you can get a whole bunch of

2759
02:05:02,930 --> 02:05:01,260
good pictures on there posing yeah well

2760
02:05:04,970 --> 02:05:02,940
I love the famous shot is more like what

2761
02:05:07,420 --> 02:05:04,980
the contact piece we're doing classic

2762
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:07,430
fifties contact piece and billy meier

2763
02:05:12,050 --> 02:05:10,170
yeah I love the classic Walters shot of

2764
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:12,060
the object hovering over the road in

2765
02:05:15,770 --> 02:05:13,290
front of him and there's no reflection

2766
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:15,780
of the lights from the object in on his

2767
02:05:19,730 --> 02:05:16,770
on the hood of his car

2768
02:05:21,590 --> 02:05:19,740
I don't know how Bruce Maccabee ever

2769
02:05:27,890 --> 02:05:21,600
signed off on some of those shots but he

2770
02:05:41,390 --> 02:05:27,900
did I have a lot of money you got paid a

2771
02:05:42,980 --> 02:05:41,400
lot of money Jerry I don't think well

2772
02:05:45,620 --> 02:05:42,990
people sometimes come to conclusions

2773
02:05:47,390 --> 02:05:45,630
that other people for some reason will

2774
02:05:51,710 --> 02:05:47,400
not accept I don't think we're all

2775
02:05:56,630 --> 02:05:51,720
totally logical so there you go you know

2776
02:05:59,090 --> 02:05:56,640
I could be wrong and maybe Bruce is

2777
02:06:01,550 --> 02:05:59,100
right I don't know that that he's wrong

2778
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:01,560
and I'm right I just my impression from

2779
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:04,650
for many reasons and long experience the

2780
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:10,890
smell test your instinct something's not

2781
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:13,170
quite right well here's a good question

2782
02:06:17,870 --> 02:06:14,490
from Conrad ha

2783
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:17,880
who's who's one of our newer members he

2784
02:06:21,890 --> 02:06:19,920
asked Jerry dis ridicule or fear of

2785
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,900
ridicule play a role in how witness

2786
02:06:26,450 --> 02:06:23,760
reports and experience and how a

2787
02:06:27,980 --> 02:06:26,460
researcher documents the event in other

2788
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,990
words do witnesses ever censor

2789
02:06:31,970 --> 02:06:29,520
themselves in order not to sound crazy

2790
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:31,980
or in order to conform to an

2791
02:06:38,060 --> 02:06:35,970
interviewers expectations and I guess

2792
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:38,070
part to do writers ever cherry pick data

2793
02:06:41,420 --> 02:06:39,810
in order to build a case for an argument

2794
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:41,430
while ignoring other high weirdness

2795
02:06:44,810 --> 02:06:43,530
elements are there elements in the field

2796
02:06:46,750 --> 02:06:44,820
of paranormal study that many

2797
02:06:49,010 --> 02:06:46,760
researchers are uncomfortable discussing

2798
02:06:50,780 --> 02:06:49,020
it's kind of a three-parter there for

2799
02:06:53,540 --> 02:06:50,790
you well these are all good questions

2800
02:06:55,460 --> 02:06:53,550
yes and first of all I want to say you

2801
02:06:58,190 --> 02:06:55,470
probably will notice that I have never

2802
02:07:00,830 --> 02:06:58,200
used the word paranormal yeah but to me

2803
02:07:05,230 --> 02:07:00,840
the paranormal has a specific meaning it

2804
02:07:11,690 --> 02:07:05,240
refers to the stuff of parapsychology

2805
02:07:14,090 --> 02:07:11,700
and I am no authority on subjects that

2806
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:14,100
work good faith magazine for many years

2807
02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:16,230
I know something about that but I'm not

2808
02:07:21,950 --> 02:07:18,510
an authority I am dealing with what I

2809
02:07:24,110 --> 02:07:21,960
think of as anomalies right and these

2810
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:24,120
are more like you know extensible

2811
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:29,370
physical phenomena but um ridicule plays

2812
02:07:37,310 --> 02:07:33,110
a huge role absolutely the entire

2813
02:07:40,580 --> 02:07:37,320
discussion the entire matter the entire

2814
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:40,590
history of ufology 40 anism and so on

2815
02:07:45,740 --> 02:07:44,850
yes ridicule affects every element of

2816
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:45,750
our study

2817
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:50,690
it keeps witnesses from speaking up it

2818
02:07:55,790 --> 02:07:53,850
affects how researchers and

2819
02:07:58,010 --> 02:07:55,800
investigators and writers who are sent

2820
02:08:01,220 --> 02:07:58,020
ascetic to these things like me write

2821
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:01,230
about them and what were what we will

2822
02:08:05,990 --> 02:08:03,450
say publicly well let me ask you a

2823
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:06,000
question that you raised there okay what

2824
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:08,400
are you reluctant to talk about because

2825
02:08:18,530 --> 02:08:16,710
of potential ridicule I sometimes when

2826
02:08:19,820 --> 02:08:18,540
you do with this thing and you guys

2827
02:08:20,270 --> 02:08:19,830
won't know exactly what I'm talking

2828
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:20,280
about

2829
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:23,130
you know you're interviewing witness

2830
02:08:26,479 --> 02:08:24,690
you're reading a case you're just

2831
02:08:30,770 --> 02:08:26,489
thinking about these things

2832
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:30,780
and you think yeah maybe this is what

2833
02:08:37,279 --> 02:08:33,360
it's about but you know that what you're

2834
02:08:40,220 --> 02:08:37,289
thinking is fantastic you can't prove it

2835
02:08:42,589 --> 02:08:40,230
it's only an instinct you know it

2836
02:08:45,169 --> 02:08:42,599
informed its thing but based upon your

2837
02:08:47,470 --> 02:08:45,179
understanding of how these things work

2838
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:47,480
and you have some idea of some kind of

2839
02:08:52,729 --> 02:08:51,360
unifying theory about what causes these

2840
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:52,739
things how they work

2841
02:08:57,410 --> 02:08:55,050
unless you're dumb and there are a lot

2842
02:09:01,279 --> 02:08:57,420
of not very thoughtful people who will

2843
02:09:03,439 --> 02:09:01,289
go forward with fantastic explanations

2844
02:09:06,379 --> 02:09:03,449
at fantastic theories which they pass

2845
02:09:09,140 --> 02:09:06,389
off is of course reveal truth these

2846
02:09:10,959 --> 02:09:09,150
people get shot down and and I think

2847
02:09:14,330 --> 02:09:10,969
that probably they deserve to get shot

2848
02:09:17,839 --> 02:09:14,340
but you know some cases are so are so

2849
02:09:20,989 --> 02:09:17,849
strange that the late Barker Vince keys

2850
02:09:22,430 --> 02:09:20,999
to call the hopeless case yeah bizarre I

2851
02:09:26,959 --> 02:09:22,440
think would be an understatement the

2852
02:09:29,470 --> 02:09:26,969
best cases but I realize that I have to

2853
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:29,480
be careful how I think about them how I

2854
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:32,130
talking right yeah I think some of the

2855
02:09:36,649 --> 02:09:34,320
best cases have those bizarre elements

2856
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:36,659
in them and I think that that's what you

2857
02:09:40,729 --> 02:09:38,159
know our questioner was kind of

2858
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:40,739
referring to is that sometimes in order

2859
02:09:46,189 --> 02:09:42,960
to be taken seriously

2860
02:09:49,160 --> 02:09:46,199
I think witnesses do tend to factor out

2861
02:09:51,739 --> 02:09:49,170
or filter out or edit out bizarre

2862
02:09:54,620 --> 02:09:51,749
elements that are so unbelievable that

2863
02:09:56,989 --> 02:09:54,630
it would you know cast the whole rest of

2864
02:09:59,959 --> 02:09:56,999
the report or event into question

2865
02:10:02,209 --> 02:09:59,969
because of one element and I found that

2866
02:10:04,700 --> 02:10:02,219
quite a bit in my work and I've had

2867
02:10:06,109 --> 02:10:04,710
people come to me after the fact months

2868
02:10:07,850 --> 02:10:06,119
or even years later and say you know

2869
02:10:09,500 --> 02:10:07,860
that case that I told you about well

2870
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:09,510
this this has been bugging me ever since

2871
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I didn't tell you about X or Y because I

2872
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didn't think he'd believe me ya gotta

2873
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believe this we're talking to Jerome

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Clark author of unexplained third

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2952
02:13:32,990 --> 02:13:29,159
your tax nightmare behind you forever

2953
02:13:38,919 --> 02:13:33,000
call 834 no tax or go to tax help

2954
02:13:42,589 --> 02:13:40,939
what's the difference in all these

2955
02:13:44,959 --> 02:13:42,599
online emergency food stores

2956
02:13:46,879 --> 02:13:44,969
the difference is Deseret Deseret food

2957
02:13:48,589 --> 02:13:46,889
stores calm has the best price on a

2958
02:13:50,180 --> 02:13:48,599
one-year supply of restaurant style

2959
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:50,190
gourmet foods starting at just six

2960
02:13:53,390 --> 02:13:51,690
hundred ninety five dollars for eight

2961
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:53,400
hundred and seventy five servings for

2962
02:13:56,990 --> 02:13:55,050
the highest quality food with a thirty

2963
02:13:59,300 --> 02:13:57,000
year shelf life experience the Deseret

2964
02:14:02,930 --> 02:13:59,310
difference at Deseret food store calm

2965
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:02,940
spelled des er ET or call eight oh one

2966
02:14:07,609 --> 02:14:05,250
four four four one four four four

2967
02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:07,619
Deseret food store calm food for now

2968
02:14:13,069 --> 02:14:10,770
food for life you know coming apart

2969
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:13,079
world you need something to keep it tied

2970
02:14:15,919 --> 02:14:13,679
together

2971
02:14:17,780 --> 02:14:15,929
that's something is wood rope the

2972
02:14:20,410 --> 02:14:17,790
highest quality rope made in the USA

2973
02:14:23,390 --> 02:14:20,420
from exotic braids for military rescue

2974
02:14:25,700 --> 02:14:23,400
arborists shipyards towline or boating

2975
02:14:27,770 --> 02:14:25,710
quality rope and affordable prices you

2976
02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:27,780
and your customers can depend on find a

2977
02:14:33,439 --> 02:14:30,780
dealer or shop online at atwood rope net

2978
02:14:35,500 --> 02:14:33,449
enter promo code radio to receive 100

2979
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:35,510
feet of 550 paracord free with purchase

2980
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:38,400
atwood rope working to keep the world

2981
02:14:45,530 --> 02:14:42,810
together they're just your Ma's League

2982
02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:45,540
editor or a sausage smear and I'm sure

2983
02:14:50,180 --> 02:14:47,760
to say a good word or two about the para

2984
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:50,190
cast which I believe is the gold

2985
02:14:58,010 --> 02:14:53,130
standard of paranormal radio listen to

2986
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:58,020
it if you can with gene and Chris you're

2987
02:15:02,810 --> 02:15:00,000
in the para cast with Jerome Clark yes a

2988
02:15:04,910 --> 02:15:02,820
third edition of unexplained and we're

2989
02:15:06,850 --> 02:15:04,920
talking here about I guess witnesses who

2990
02:15:09,530 --> 02:15:06,860
want to be politically correct or

2991
02:15:11,450 --> 02:15:09,540
something and therefore may withhold the

2992
02:15:14,030 --> 02:15:11,460
really strange aspects of their

2993
02:15:16,340 --> 02:15:14,040
encounters now we also see this in terms

2994
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:16,350
of people who investigate or report on

2995
02:15:19,790 --> 02:15:18,330
these cases that they hear these things

2996
02:15:22,459 --> 02:15:19,800
and they say you know I can't report

2997
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:22,469
that because MUFON is not going to

2998
02:15:27,649 --> 02:15:25,110
believe it it's not going to really work

2999
02:15:30,890 --> 02:15:27,659
with the public do you see that - well

3000
02:15:33,290 --> 02:15:30,900
all of us have what you might call a

3001
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:33,300
sense of the possible and I think for

3002
02:15:38,570 --> 02:15:36,090
example of hardcore debunkers obviously

3003
02:15:41,479 --> 02:15:38,580
have less a sense of the possible and

3004
02:15:44,840 --> 02:15:41,489
that we have and I'm sure most your

3005
02:15:48,189 --> 02:15:44,850
listeners but all of us at some point

3006
02:15:50,570 --> 02:15:48,199
have a boggle threshold beyond which

3007
02:15:53,330 --> 02:15:50,580
intellectually emotionally whatever we

3008
02:15:56,870 --> 02:15:53,340
cannot go and that's not entirely bad

3009
02:15:59,810 --> 02:15:56,880
you know one manifestation of that is a

3010
02:16:02,149 --> 02:15:59,820
critical filter but you have to balance

3011
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:02,159
all these things as you're studying

3012
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:04,170
these phenomena listening to witness

3013
02:16:10,669 --> 02:16:07,650
testimony and so on if it's really very

3014
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:10,679
difficult and as long as I have been at

3015
02:16:18,189 --> 02:16:14,730
this I'm still working on it and as in

3016
02:16:21,550 --> 02:16:18,199
more conventional inquiry one thing that

3017
02:16:25,930 --> 02:16:21,560
helps you focus on things is to have a

3018
02:16:29,479 --> 02:16:25,940
theoretical framework in which certain

3019
02:16:33,020 --> 02:16:29,489
events certain phenomena logically

3020
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:33,030
follow and are connected and at the same

3021
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:34,559
time there are going to be things

3022
02:16:39,919 --> 02:16:37,290
outside that and you're going to have to

3023
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:39,929
decide whether these things are trivial

3024
02:16:43,669 --> 02:16:42,479
or they're important if you think

3025
02:16:47,150 --> 02:16:43,679
they're important you're going to have

3026
02:16:49,129 --> 02:16:47,160
to revise or expand or change the

3027
02:16:51,410 --> 02:16:49,139
theoretical framework but there's

3028
02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:51,420
nothing wrong with having a reasonable

3029
02:16:54,620 --> 02:16:52,290
theoretical

3030
02:16:56,509 --> 02:16:54,630
framework to guide you in your inquiry

3031
02:16:58,879 --> 02:16:56,519
yeah but you also have to have an open

3032
02:17:00,830 --> 02:16:58,889
mind and I think you you I think we owe

3033
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:00,840
it to ourselves as investigators to

3034
02:17:04,849 --> 02:17:02,880
never Factor anything out or fact or

3035
02:17:06,980 --> 02:17:04,859
anything in I think we need to be as

3036
02:17:10,190 --> 02:17:06,990
objective about it as possible and well

3037
02:17:11,269 --> 02:17:10,200
that that's not saying that that's not

3038
02:17:13,849 --> 02:17:11,279
what I'm saying

3039
02:17:16,759 --> 02:17:13,859
of course we should be objective and of

3040
02:17:19,219 --> 02:17:16,769
course we should be open-minded but

3041
02:17:21,589 --> 02:17:19,229
there but if you don't have some kind of

3042
02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:21,599
broad theoretical framework then you're

3043
02:17:28,940 --> 02:17:25,490
just thinking in this sort of random

3044
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:28,950
stimuli and they're not coming together

3045
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,439
as anything it's just like you have a

3046
02:17:36,980 --> 02:17:33,840
whole bunch of curiosities that lead

3047
02:17:38,990 --> 02:17:36,990
nowhere no you have to have some idea

3048
02:17:41,959 --> 02:17:39,000
and you have to test these hypotheses

3049
02:17:43,700 --> 02:17:41,969
you have to say that this validates that

3050
02:17:46,700 --> 02:17:43,710
process and if you find something that's

3051
02:17:48,650 --> 02:17:46,710
even bigger than invalidates hypotheses

3052
02:17:50,959 --> 02:17:48,660
well then of course you need a different

3053
02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:50,969
hypothesis or at least a revision of

3054
02:17:59,660 --> 02:17:57,210
your working spouses you have to be

3055
02:18:01,580 --> 02:17:59,670
flexible to be able to change whatever

3056
02:18:02,750 --> 02:18:01,590
theoretical framework you have based on

3057
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:02,760
on the evidence that you're collecting

3058
02:18:10,339 --> 02:18:07,519
and your analysis of it well yeah we're

3059
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:10,349
talking about I'm just talking about a

3060
02:18:18,410 --> 02:18:14,370
broad candidate you know theoretical

3061
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,420
framework yeah science works when it

3062
02:18:21,589 --> 02:18:20,479
becomes rigid and impervious to

3063
02:18:26,179 --> 02:18:21,599
falsifications

3064
02:18:28,669 --> 02:18:26,189
it becomes a problem your attention and

3065
02:18:30,259 --> 02:18:28,679
to guide you focus you know you got to

3066
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:30,269
go somewhere otherwise you're just a

3067
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:33,330
victim of a whole bunch of random planes

3068
02:18:38,780 --> 02:18:36,000
and factoids and rumors that don't add

3069
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:38,790
up right well one thing that I've always

3070
02:18:45,290 --> 02:18:42,870
found fascinating about you know my 20

3071
02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:45,300
years now going on keeping an eye on the

3072
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,250
San Luis Valley in Southern Colorado is

3073
02:18:51,620 --> 02:18:50,160
is the the coincidental aspect we kind

3074
02:18:53,570 --> 02:18:51,630
of mentioned briefly before and the

3075
02:18:57,290 --> 02:18:53,580
synchronicities whether it's societal

3076
02:19:00,080 --> 02:18:57,300
events weird weather abnormal roadkill

3077
02:19:02,269 --> 02:19:00,090
on the road unusual numbers of fires

3078
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:02,279
these types of things tend to happen

3079
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:05,050
during waves of UFO sightings so I found

3080
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:08,650
and it's it's not a steadfast rule but

3081
02:19:12,839 --> 02:19:10,240
boy when those things do you occur

3082
02:19:16,919 --> 02:19:12,849
concurrently with some of the reports

3083
02:19:19,259 --> 02:19:16,929
that are filed it's hard not to to kind

3084
02:19:20,250 --> 02:19:19,269
of perk up a little bit and say mmmm I

3085
02:19:21,240 --> 02:19:20,260
wonder if there's some sort of

3086
02:19:23,549 --> 02:19:21,250
connection there if there's a

3087
02:19:25,020 --> 02:19:23,559
correlation so yeah I think it's

3088
02:19:27,060 --> 02:19:25,030
important to have like you said some

3089
02:19:29,940 --> 02:19:27,070
sort of theoretical framework within

3090
02:19:32,280 --> 02:19:29,950
which to bounce all this craziness off

3091
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:32,290
of because you're not gonna last very

3092
02:19:37,049 --> 02:19:34,690
long out in the field if you don't it's

3093
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:37,059
gonna take you and eat you up and spit

3094
02:19:41,520 --> 02:19:39,610
you out and I've seen it happen I know

3095
02:19:43,530 --> 02:19:41,530
you have gene has we've seen it happen

3096
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:43,540
to people it just the heat in the

3097
02:19:48,330 --> 02:19:45,790
kitchen gets too hot and people gotta

3098
02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:48,340
bail and it's unfortunate but that's one

3099
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:50,260
of the reasons why then it happens you

3100
02:20:02,070 --> 02:19:59,430
oh man was that an understatement oh boy

3101
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:02,080
well here's one a good question here

3102
02:20:07,590 --> 02:20:05,680
from ufology up in Calgary Alberta what

3103
02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:07,600
aspect of you work as a ufologist have

3104
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:09,790
has given you the most satisfaction over

3105
02:20:19,800 --> 02:20:13,810
the years well to repeat myself on one

3106
02:20:25,010 --> 02:20:19,810
level the airship on the other level is

3107
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:25,020
the work that I did on that multi ya

3108
02:20:31,740 --> 02:20:28,570
occurred in the which was really an

3109
02:20:35,550 --> 02:20:31,750
effort not only to say here's what it is

3110
02:20:37,230 --> 02:20:35,560
here's what this phenomenon is well what

3111
02:20:40,260 --> 02:20:37,240
it looks like not what it is what it

3112
02:20:43,410 --> 02:20:40,270
looks like but also just to preserve the

3113
02:20:46,830 --> 02:20:43,420
social history of the controversy and

3114
02:20:50,610 --> 02:20:46,840
the official investigations civilian

3115
02:20:53,130 --> 02:20:50,620
groups the hopes is the contactees the

3116
02:20:55,800 --> 02:20:53,140
theories all these things which I

3117
02:20:58,170 --> 02:20:55,810
thought had never really been written

3118
02:21:01,050 --> 02:20:58,180
about very well with some rare

3119
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:01,060
exceptions like David Jacobson's 1975

3120
02:21:06,060 --> 02:21:03,520
book the UFO controversy in America but

3121
02:21:08,340 --> 02:21:06,070
I got to do this a great length and I

3122
02:21:10,590 --> 02:21:08,350
think that history will stand and

3123
02:21:13,410 --> 02:21:10,600
anybody in the future who comes back to

3124
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:13,420
that said what was this like is what

3125
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:15,130
were they talking about what were they

3126
02:21:18,269 --> 02:21:15,970
dealing with

3127
02:21:20,189 --> 02:21:18,279
it's in that theory invaluable research

3128
02:21:23,460 --> 02:21:20,199
tool thank you that's the most

3129
02:21:25,500 --> 02:21:23,470
satisfying you know here's a historical

3130
02:21:27,420 --> 02:21:25,510
thing I don't know if you ever remember

3131
02:21:30,090 --> 02:21:27,430
this researcher but he had some unusual

3132
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:30,100
theories to offer under suited him Tom

3133
02:21:33,809 --> 02:21:31,600
Camela yes

3134
02:21:36,689 --> 02:21:33,819
Peter Clarke right he wrote under the

3135
02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:36,699
name Peter core and at first you thought

3136
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:39,369
he was a skeptic and then he was trying

3137
02:21:46,739 --> 02:21:43,890
to convey some really strange aspect of

3138
02:21:48,569 --> 02:21:46,749
UFOs in reality that we couldn't

3139
02:21:49,949 --> 02:21:48,579
understand what was your take on him

3140
02:21:52,590 --> 02:21:49,959
could you tell our listeners more about

3141
02:21:54,559 --> 02:21:52,600
him and how he was part of the theorists

3142
02:21:59,130 --> 02:21:54,569
who arose in the 60s and 70s

3143
02:22:02,370 --> 02:21:59,140
Camela was a nice kid actually started

3144
02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:02,380
in some Cleveland and he started them

3145
02:22:11,099 --> 02:22:06,489
flying saucer bulletins maybe 55 mid

3146
02:22:14,670 --> 02:22:11,109
fifties and he was just kind of typical

3147
02:22:19,050 --> 02:22:14,680
he was kind of gullible but he did also

3148
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:19,060
publish interesting materials and he was

3149
02:22:23,639 --> 02:22:20,890
sort of more open-minded about

3150
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:23,649
contactees than I was of his agent and

3151
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:27,850
remain but he eventually evolved into

3152
02:22:35,489 --> 02:22:30,479
this sort of alternative personality

3153
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:35,499
peter core and core Peter Camela core

3154
02:22:41,779 --> 02:22:37,930
began publishing these essays in ray

3155
02:22:46,050 --> 02:22:41,789
Palmer's flying saucers magazine and

3156
02:22:50,010 --> 02:22:46,060
they were really both esoteric and

3157
02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:50,020
egocentric and it wasn't always possible

3158
02:22:54,599 --> 02:22:52,510
to understand what he was saying and he

3159
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:54,609
would refer to himself in the third

3160
02:23:01,469 --> 02:22:57,010
person in this kind of irregular style

3161
02:23:05,550 --> 02:23:01,479
which was really off-putting and he was

3162
02:23:08,279 --> 02:23:05,560
basically as I read him and then I

3163
02:23:11,130 --> 02:23:08,289
subsequently had some not terribly

3164
02:23:13,859 --> 02:23:11,140
Pleasant correspondence with him that he

3165
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:13,869
was essentially that kind of he was

3166
02:23:18,179 --> 02:23:15,130
essentially a skip

3167
02:23:21,260 --> 02:23:18,189
he was just had a kind of different

3168
02:23:24,929 --> 02:23:21,270
focus on it but his prose was often

3169
02:23:26,130 --> 02:23:24,939
impenetrable I know that I had some

3170
02:23:28,410 --> 02:23:26,140
correspondence with him over the years

3171
02:23:29,841 --> 02:23:28,420
talked to him on the phone in person he

3172
02:23:32,091 --> 02:23:29,851
was a very pleasant guy

3173
02:23:34,461 --> 02:23:32,101
oh that's good totally classic here that

3174
02:23:36,711 --> 02:23:34,471
seriously right but when you read these

3175
02:23:38,411 --> 02:23:36,721
articles you got the impression as you

3176
02:23:40,911 --> 02:23:38,421
did if someone who was very egocentric

3177
02:23:43,071 --> 02:23:40,921
wanted you to believe that he had some

3178
02:23:45,560 --> 02:23:43,081
kind of information or knowledge but his

3179
02:23:47,241 --> 02:23:45,570
prose as you say was so dense it was

3180
02:23:49,581 --> 02:23:47,251
impossible to see what was going on at

3181
02:23:51,201 --> 02:23:49,591
first he came across as a skeptic and

3182
02:23:53,390 --> 02:23:51,211
then he said well no there's more going

3183
02:23:55,640 --> 02:23:53,400
on here and you've got to understand

3184
02:23:57,791 --> 02:23:55,650
what I'm saying and you've got to look

3185
02:24:00,470 --> 02:23:57,801
at the points that I'm directing you to

3186
02:24:01,551 --> 02:24:00,480
but then nobody ever got figured out and

3187
02:24:03,741 --> 02:24:01,561
every time you thought you had it

3188
02:24:07,430 --> 02:24:03,751
figured out it wasn't quite something

3189
02:24:09,381 --> 02:24:07,440
that you could figure out with G okay

3190
02:24:11,180 --> 02:24:09,391
just got the feeling at some point that

3191
02:24:12,860 --> 02:24:11,190
it wasn't what the answer was he just

3192
02:24:14,961 --> 02:24:12,870
playing a game with all of us we'll have

3193
02:24:17,511 --> 02:24:14,971
to wonder we're talking to Jerome Clarke

3194
02:24:20,770 --> 02:24:17,521
author of unexplained third edition with

3195
02:24:29,400 --> 02:24:20,780
Jean and Kris you're in the para cast

3196
02:24:31,590 --> 02:24:29,410
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Chris on the power cast one more segment

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with Jerome Clark who's author of

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unexplained in the third edition we were

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talking about peculiar UFO researcher

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writer theorist named Thomas M Camela

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from the Cleveland area as a matter of

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fact who wrote under the name Peter core

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very dense theory so if you find a stuff

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online I gather you if you look hard

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enough you'll find material from him

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should we all just assume he was just

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playing games with us and drop it all

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well what I think was that to the extent

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that he had any good ideas which he

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seemed to have difficulty communicating

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coherently they did get picked up in the

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in later discourse and debate about

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among ufologist Jacques de la and some

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of my early books and people like that

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who were got interested in the

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subjective aspects of you know high

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strangeness no flow experience and

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ballet for example in his 1969 book

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passport to Magoo Nia wrote quite

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coherently and influentially some you

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know dissident and unusual revisionist

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ideas about the meaning of UFO

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experiences and so I think that course

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significance kind of faded over time

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whatever it was to start with it just

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wasn't that important just kind of a

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footnote

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it's kind of something where he kept

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saying the same thing over and over

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again it became repetitious and you were

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never sure what he was talking about or

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whether he was even serious or not

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playing word games himself as smarter

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and wiser than all of his readers

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I loved all his books I mean I devoured

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them when they came out at me Charlie

3345
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yeah okay we were talking more about Tom

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Camela though yeah

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do you remember Camela I don't that's a

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the name kind of rings a bell but that

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I was just looking over material online

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and I saw a lot of names with which we

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were all familiar Jerry and then this

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one came across out of the blue are we

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02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:00,050
done with the questions there is the you

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seem to get this question every time

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you're on Jerry and and that is to try

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to nail down your three favorite cases

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that you find most interesting and

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puzzling I think the airship wave would

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rank up there is number one any other

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cases that really stand out in your mind

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is being pivotal possibly or more

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important than others well it depends on

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what you're looking for for example if

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you're looking for evidence of the

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presence of an advanced technology

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behind open on presumably

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02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:31,070
extraterrestrial I mean there are cases

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like that you know the RB 47 case is the

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one that always comes up and you know

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the transcendent robots physical trade

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case point helicopter case I mean there

3372
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are some very good cases very well

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investigate well-documented seemingly

3374
02:31:54,511 --> 02:31:52,280
impervious to debunking that suggests

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02:31:56,440 --> 02:31:54,521
that yes there may very well be

3376
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extraterrestrials visiting us with an

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advanced technology if you're looking

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for that yes there are some cases like

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that I just mentioned several but if

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you're interested is i more and more

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admitting most the more extreme

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experiment yeah yeah you've got the

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you've got to the Sherman ranch case and

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a whole bunch of other stuff that you

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can have a lot of fun

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you're not going to nail things down the

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way you do with some of these really

3388
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physical cases but you're going to be

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open to all kinds of really intriguing

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possibility yeah I absolutely agree the

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cases that have the inexplicable

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elements are the ones that tend to get

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my juices flowing I think a little bit

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more than your rank and file light in

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the sky darting around close encounter

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cases of course come to mind there's

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been a number of them the dr. X case the

3398
02:32:54,700 --> 02:32:51,470
Miculek case there's been a number of

3399
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them leaving behind physical evidence

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even lasting injury the Colora cases

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down in Brazil in the late 70s early 80s

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spring to mind

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there are a bunch of them out there and

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I I do urge our listeners to pick up

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Jerry's books and get yourself up to

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speed

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Jerry is one of the esteemed historians

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and experts in this field if you can

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call anyone an expert but I think it

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boils down to the the quality of

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questions that we ask I think at some

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point we're gonna start asking the right

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questions and we might actually get

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somewhere yeah I think actually we

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probably had made some progress we're

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just so close to it but it's only in

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retrospect that we're going to be able

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to figure out what we were able to

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figure out I agree I think making any

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progress or understanding maybe not

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solving things at least having a greater

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sense of dealing with and the whole

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02:34:02,771 --> 02:34:00,741
thing would be futile it's hard to think

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that you've been at this thing for 50

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years and you wake up one day and you

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say hey what have I been doing for the

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past 50 years has it been worth it maybe

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I should have gotten their day job I

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think that all of us started out

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thinking that we were going to solve

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this I think all of us now understand

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we're not going to solve this but I

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think that anybody who's really

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thoughtful and knowledgeable gets at

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least the satisfaction of knowing that I

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have a better sense of what we're

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dealing with what seems to happen what

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seems not to happen but the parameters

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of these phenomena are and how they're

3440
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likely to be experienced they're not

3441
02:34:41,801 --> 02:34:40,491
likely to be experienced and so I think

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02:34:44,051 --> 02:34:41,811
that there are a lot of things I

3443
02:34:47,231 --> 02:34:44,061
understand I don't expect I think that

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probably a percentage of UFO reports may

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02:34:55,301 --> 02:34:50,571
be from visitors from our crowded galaxy

3446
02:34:57,461 --> 02:34:55,311
if the life is common in the galaxy

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we're probably going to see evidence of

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that and we may see evidence of that in

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02:35:03,821 --> 02:35:01,221
Mexico sisters I think that that's

3450
02:35:06,041 --> 02:35:03,831
probably the best explanation for some

3451
02:35:08,561 --> 02:35:06,051
UFO reports but there are plenty of

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02:35:11,171 --> 02:35:08,571
other high strangest UFO reports and

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02:35:13,361 --> 02:35:11,181
other kinds of non ostensibly non

3454
02:35:14,920 --> 02:35:13,371
beautiful phenomena that are going to

3455
02:35:16,599 --> 02:35:14,930
require an entire

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one explanation which we're never going

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to get to because we simply don't have a

3458
02:35:24,400 --> 02:35:22,880
framework to get to that knowledge but

3459
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,410
nonetheless we can get some sense at

3460
02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:26,560
least what it's like and how it works

3461
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:28,970
before you depart this world do you

3462
02:35:35,650 --> 02:35:31,520
think we'll know anything really more

3463
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:35,660
about UFOs and the related mysteries how

3464
02:35:44,110 --> 02:35:40,810
long 65 every day of the Blood thing and

3465
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:44,120
Jerry Lewis is 86 he's still going

3466
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strong so you never know I think it all

3467
02:35:52,330 --> 02:35:49,910
depends I think that the UFO the core

3468
02:35:54,670 --> 02:35:52,340
UFO phenomenon is solvable

3469
02:35:59,229 --> 02:35:54,680
it just needs the attention and

3470
02:36:01,300 --> 02:35:59,239
resources and that's really all that it

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02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:01,310
is believed that if science has really

3472
02:36:07,179 --> 02:36:04,640
applied to UFO sightings the core UFO

3473
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:07,189
phenomenon we probably learn a lot in

3474
02:36:13,420 --> 02:36:10,640
reasonably short order but but our

3475
02:36:15,340 --> 02:36:13,430
understanding of that depends on

3476
02:36:24,969 --> 02:36:15,350
something we had no control over and

3477
02:36:27,340 --> 02:36:24,979
that is science but then of course if

3478
02:36:29,050 --> 02:36:27,350
UFOs representing ET maybe they will one

3479
02:36:33,719 --> 02:36:29,060
day decide to make their presence known

3480
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:33,729
in reality not in these figments or

3481
02:36:40,570 --> 02:36:39,170
strange semi-real encounters well you're

3482
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:40,580
talking about the landing on the White

3483
02:36:48,040 --> 02:36:45,439
House for which it remains theoretically

3484
02:36:51,010 --> 02:36:48,050
possible but I don't think any of us are

3485
02:36:53,860 --> 02:36:51,020
anticipating that the other question

3486
02:36:55,870 --> 02:36:53,870
would be of course would ET want to land

3487
02:37:00,820 --> 02:36:55,880
on the White House lawn would that be

3488
02:37:04,120 --> 02:37:00,830
the ideal place to go why not some other

3489
02:37:09,570 --> 02:37:04,130
country why not the UN certainly the

3490
02:37:10,979 --> 02:37:09,580
whole idea the ETS would show themselves

3491
02:37:14,740 --> 02:37:10,989
unambiguously

3492
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:14,750
and the White House lawn is just one of

3493
02:37:18,340 --> 02:37:15,760
many places

3494
02:37:20,650 --> 02:37:18,350
well he got stingers up on top of the

3495
02:37:22,450 --> 02:37:20,660
roof of the White House so be careful be

3496
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:22,460
careful violating restricted airspace

3497
02:37:27,849 --> 02:37:25,760
Edie I don't think it would bother et at

3498
02:37:28,301 --> 02:37:27,859
all but I don't think it's going to

3499
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:28,311
happen

3500
02:37:33,551 --> 02:37:31,130
at least not very soon very soon the

3501
02:37:36,820 --> 02:37:33,561
book is called unexplained and the

3502
02:37:38,770 --> 02:37:36,830
subtitle strange sightings incredible

3503
02:37:41,620 --> 02:37:38,780
occurrences and puzzling physical

3504
02:37:44,200 --> 02:37:41,630
phenomena 3rd edition we only covered

3505
02:37:45,671 --> 02:37:44,210
the very basics here you gotta buy a

3506
02:37:47,980 --> 02:37:45,681
copy of the book it's available in all

3507
02:37:50,230 --> 02:37:47,990
the usual offenders Jerry Clark you

3508
02:37:52,211 --> 02:37:50,240
still don't have a website to you know

3509
02:37:55,330 --> 02:37:52,221
so if we want to look at your works we

3510
02:37:57,881 --> 02:37:55,340
just go online to a Google search search

3511
02:38:00,700 --> 02:37:57,891
go to an online bookseller and just type

3512
02:38:03,551 --> 02:38:00,710
into Ron Clark and there it is and the

3513
02:38:03,970 --> 02:38:03,561
new book unexplained is nearly 500 pages

3514
02:38:06,220 --> 02:38:03,980
long

3515
02:38:08,350 --> 02:38:06,230
it comes from manners so there's a lot

3516
02:38:11,140 --> 02:38:08,360
of stuff in there and much of it will be

3517
02:38:14,171 --> 02:38:11,150
new to people and can I say

3518
02:38:16,780 --> 02:38:14,181
I hope they read it enjoy Chris O'Brien

3519
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:16,790
where do we find more your stuff well we

3520
02:38:20,801 --> 02:38:18,290
live in a strange planet it's our

3521
02:38:22,480 --> 02:38:20,811
strange planet calm and Jerry I want to

3522
02:38:24,671 --> 02:38:22,490
thank you so much again for coming back

3523
02:38:26,410 --> 02:38:24,681
on this is an invaluable research tool

3524
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:26,420
thanks a lot and there's one more thing

3525
02:38:32,020 --> 02:38:28,610
to mention you want to find us on

3526
02:38:34,631 --> 02:38:32,030
Twitter we are the para cast there's a

3527
02:38:36,131 --> 02:38:34,641
para cast fanclub on Facebook actually

3528
02:38:38,200 --> 02:38:36,141
two of them we have to find a way to

3529
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:38,210
merge them now Jerry doesn't get into

3530
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:39,920
the social networking stuff so we don't

3531
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:42,170
have to worry about that or visit our

3532
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:45,530
forums forum the para cast com Jerry

3533
02:38:56,511 --> 02:38:47,210
Clark thanks for joining us on the power

3534
02:39:01,560 --> 02:38:59,790
the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

3535
02:39:04,680 --> 02:39:01,570
and Christopher o'brien

3536
02:39:08,460 --> 02:39:04,690
is a copyrighted presentation of making

3537
02:39:12,480 --> 02:39:08,470
the impossible Incorporated tune in next